Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Ron Dean Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 09:10:27 -0400 Organization: Public Usenet Newsgroup Access Lines: 42 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <8v21O.28418$ocy9.24432@fx06.iad> References: <2e5n3j1u9a0pdcmpd4m78l2dssq3kns552@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="40191"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 13.4; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 9F8D4229786; Wed, 15 May 2024 09:10:31 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F008229767 for ; Wed, 15 May 2024 09:10:29 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1s7EP1-00000000W2x-0YyV; Wed, 15 May 2024 15:10:39 +0200 by nntpmail01.iad.omicronmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 668EFE1370 for ; Wed, 15 May 2024 13:10:29 +0000 (UTC) id 1D1E31BA01FE; Wed, 15 May 2024 13:10:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Path: fx06.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail In-Reply-To: X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@newsgroups-download.com X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 13:10:28 UTC Bytes: 4206 Martin Harran wrote: > On Tue, 14 May 2024 20:35:56 -0400, Ron Dean > wrote: > >> Martin Harran wrote: >>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 16:40:15 -0400, Ron Dean >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Burkhard wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>>> In fact, your opening gambit is directly expressed in the Bible: Judges >>>>> 10:16 or Ecclesiastes 3:19: "For what happens to the children of man and >>>>> what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. >>>>> They all have the same breath" >>>>> >>>> I question that. But this is Old Testament which Christians turn to for >>>> back ground, but the Old Covenant contained in the Old Testament was >>>> like a contract which was fulfilled by Jesus Christ and set aside. The >>>> new Convent contained in the New Testament is the one Christians are under. >>> >>> I'm still waiting for you to explain how you get from a God twiddling >>> with molecules and DNA to a God with whom we can have a personal >>> relationship; the type of God defined in both the Old and New >>> Testament; the same type of God defined by Stephen Meyer, one of the >>> most prominent proponents of ID, in his book 'Return of the God >>> Hypothesis'. >>> >> Not my call! > > In other words, you can't. You appear to be in good company, none of > the leading proponents of ID seem able to explain it either. > There are no ID proponent on TO, that I see just me. Due in insults, castigation and character assassination, ID proponents are quick to leave TO. Except me, so far I've been able to overlook it. >>> >>> [...] >>> >