Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: FromTheRafters Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Modeling the origins of life: New evidence for an 'RNA World' Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:41:42 -0400 Organization: Peripheral Visions Lines: 31 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <86v85s8tcm.fsf@example.com> <8634sqecfp.fsf@example.com> <1277204bc5289b66184c03f217ced23f@www.novabbs.com> <86y1aicto5.fsf@example.com> Reply-To: erratic.howard@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="92381"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:99cm2SEJEc8lG0gtTr0BCs9YyrQ= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 105A722976C; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:38:28 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6ADE229758 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:38:25 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1rlSQK-00000001Wr1-1dFe; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:42:00 +0100 id 6242DDC01CA; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:41:49 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19ZfVa5rDp1WAP1Ec6RsxxoTfRnLmpMx2Mbn/vdkJoYpFfXoBBRHcpd X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb X-ICQ: 1701145376 Bytes: 3567 Richmond used his keyboard to write : > j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com (LDagget) writes: > >> Richmond wrote: >> >>> John Harshman writes: >>>> JTEM has his own vocabulary. By "evolution" he means the modern >>>> synthesis, also called (which JTEM would detest) neoDarwinism. What he >>>> seeks to attach Darwin's name to is Lysenkoism or neoLamarckism. If >>>> you make all those switches what he says is more or less correct. >>>> >>>> Not sure whether Mao or the CCP adopted Lysenkoism, but it doesn't >>>> seem out of the question. >>>> >> >>> The phrase "survival of the fittest" has always seemed suspect to me. We >>> hear it repeated to justify capitalism. But there isn't any requirement >>> to be 'fit' as far as I can see. There is only a requirement (for genes) >>> to survive. For example the camel which sits on the calf of its rival >>> and crushes it to death, or the chimpanzee which kills and eats the >>> infant offspring of its rivals. In what way is it 'fit'? A biologist >>> would define it as merely fit to survive, but then the phrase becomes >>> redundant as survival of the survivor. And we see the same results in >>> captialism with corporations swallowing up rivals rather than competing >>> with them. >> >> You want to argue against a metaphor by considering it literally. > > It's not a metaphor. It's a misquote, or rather a misattribution.