Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.bofh.team!paganini.bofh.team!news.killfile.org!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Isaak Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2024 07:49:18 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <5f09ba95-910f-4814-8c90-85af86ac1a53@gmail.com> <86bk83zbvj.fsf@example.com> <86o7c0fcjk.fsf@example.com> <86frxb8e1h.fsf@example.com> <44ycnd-RzOg5sXz4nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> <86h6hqt028.fsf@example.com> <868r2oamsy.fsf@example.com> <864jdcahor.fsf@example.com> <86zfv48zcl.fsf@example.com> <861q7yf4sg.fsf@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="81043"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:qf1i7yF5xmc6d0zAkUNtwAF6Wsw= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id D35C822976C; Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB74D229758 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:45:38 -0400 (EDT) id E836E5DD0C; Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7B565DCBE for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:49:23 +0000 (UTC) id 0B0DADC01A9; Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:49:20 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:49:20 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <861q7yf4sg.fsf@example.com> X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+rPAgnXqrc0Yw6gMsZloVWKkf2hvpmHKs= Bytes: 5230 On 3/25/24 1:13 PM, Richmond wrote: > Robert Carnegie writes: > >> On 11/03/2024 17:14, Richmond wrote: >>> Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> writes: >>>> [Origin of "The Matrix"] >>>> I interpreted wiktionary as saying the sense 11 was a new >>>> sense inspired by the film - so clearly not the meaning that inspired >>>> the choice of the title for the film. >>> Maybe, but it cites 1984, William Gibson, Neuromancer, for sense 11, >>> so >>> such a sense must have existed before 1999. >> >> It may have been mentioned, possibly by me, >> that _Doctor Who_ story "The Deadly Assassin" >> in 1976 presented "The Matrix", a computer >> which contains memories of the Doctor's people, >> "Time Lords". It's experienced as a rather >> dangerous "virtual reality". >> >> William Gibson used "matrix" for - what being >> inside the internet looks like, basically. >> A space in which most online resources have a >> visual representation, and you fly around >> (virtually) like Superman to get to the data >> that you want to deal with. >> >> mentions that Gibson's short story >> "Burning Chrome" used the term in 1982. >> "Burning" is story slang for hacking, and Chrome >> is a person in the story whose money, not >> personality, is under attack. > > Another example of Gnostic ideas resurfacing in popular culture is > 'Forbidden Planet'. The surface of the planet has a small settlement > with only two people, some animals, and a robot. This surface settlement > represents consciousness. But hidden beneath it is something vast, and > from which the powers of creation come (the unconscious). And demons > which lurk there are projected onto the outside world, the planet > surface outside the settlement. > > If the settlement corresponds to the island in The Tempest, then the > vast space under the planet surface represents the ocean around the > island. Water is the symbol of the unconscious in mythology. > > Why is it necessary to have mythology to understand things? Because > mythology points to things which cannot be described in words. All words > have opposites and so cause division. This is shown by this newsgroup > which is doomed to polarised arguments for all eternity. Nitpick: Not all words have opposites; probably most do not. (E.g., what is the opposite of "broccoli"?, of "modem"?, of "scissors"?) What words do, which I think supports your point at least as well, is corral ideas into discrete categories. -- Mark Isaak "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell