Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 23:50:54 -0400 Organization: What are you looking for? Lines: 55 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <2e5n3j1u9a0pdcmpd4m78l2dssq3kns552@4ax.com> <8v21O.28418$ocy9.24432@fx06.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="61130"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:hK1XhDqxwfr5H2TNKGMKP2b0Ex8= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 7CE3F229786; Wed, 15 May 2024 23:50:58 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52DF2229767 for ; Wed, 15 May 2024 23:50:56 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1s7S94-00000001W2D-25Yu; Thu, 16 May 2024 05:51:06 +0200 id 22494DC01A9; Thu, 16 May 2024 05:50:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 05:50:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18158rStsqRnviugF14KSRpspGgIcqmDU4= Bytes: 4191 On Wed, 15 May 2024 09:10:27 -0400, Ron Dean wrote: >Martin Harran wrote: >> On Tue, 14 May 2024 20:35:56 -0400, Ron Dean >> wrote: >>=20 >>> Martin Harran wrote: >>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 16:40:15 -0400, Ron Dean >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Burkhard wrote: >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>>>> In fact, your opening gambit is directly expressed in the Bible: = Judges >>>>>> 10:16 or Ecclesiastes 3:19: "For what happens to the children of = man and >>>>>> what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the = other. >>>>>> They all have the same breath" >>>>>> >>>>> I question that. But this is Old Testament which Christians turn to= for >>>>> back ground, but the Old Covenant contained in the Old Testament = was >>>>> like a contract which was fulfilled by Jesus Christ and set aside. = The >>>>> new Convent contained in the New Testament is the one Christians = are under. >>>> >>>> I'm still waiting for you to explain how you get from a God = twiddling >>>> with molecules and DNA to a God with whom we can have a personal >>>> relationship; the type of God defined in both the Old and New >>>> Testament; the same type of God defined by Stephen Meyer, one of the >>>> most prominent proponents of ID, in his book 'Return of the God >>>> Hypothesis'. >>>> >>> Not my call! >>=20 >> In other words, you can't. You appear to be in good company, none of >> the leading proponents of ID seem able to explain it either. >>=20 >There are no ID proponent on TO, that I see just me. Due in insults,=20 >castigation and character assassination, ID proponents are quick to=20 >leave TO. Except me, so far I've been able to overlook it. To be accurate, so far YOU have been able to practice baseless insults, castigation, and character assassination. -- To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge