Path: ...!feed.opticnetworks.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Do you condemn Hamas? Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 21:36:52 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 124 Message-ID: References: <7er86jt9l8ob35kvnhieb0ne3cn2e12n5f@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2024 23:36:52 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d4ac345ff05c2404d7e3496200634bde"; logging-data="3825047"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/tKSaW8Xwg9S1cVLMtFDhgOOfLu/h7WQM=" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZtsOLMxyZbG2SjYDK15oL7qT8No= Bytes: 6754 On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 23:59:33 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote: > On 6/8/24 21:55, john larkin wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >> wrote: >> >>> On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote: >>>> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote: >>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because >>>>>>>>>>> they are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed >>>>>>>>>>> martyrs. So for Hamas, killing is always win-win. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor >>>>>>>>>> hell. >>>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to >>>>>>>>> do this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life >>>>>>>>> past this one, >>>>>>>>> and that you are immortal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no >>>>>>>> afterlife, just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My >>>>>>>> existence is the result of an uninterrupted sequence of >>>>>>>> incredibly improbable events, going back billions of years into >>>>>>>> the past, and I will cease to exist, >>>>>>>> never to come back, >>>>>>>> when some essential part of my body fails. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid >>>>>>>> of being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just >>>>>>>> another of those weird religious ideas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an >>>>>>> after-life. And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. >>>>>>> I actually find the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be >>>>>>> like you in outlook! >>>>>> >>>>>> How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife, >>>>>> and what kind of experience do you expect to have? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeroen Belleman >>>>> >>>>> I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for >>>>> expansion on this forum! >>>> >>>> Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum >>>> consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky. >>>> >>>> Don't give up on miracles quite yet. >>>> >>>> >>> You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many times. In as >>> far as the brain is a chemical machine, and that chemistry is >>> basically a manifestation of quantum mechanics, I agree. In practice, >>> QM is just a level too deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I >>> believe that that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate? >>> >>> >> DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the >> cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So >> any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of >> the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine. > > Hmm. I see DNA as a template for making molecular machines, enzymes and > such, that do useful things for living organisms. Useful things such as > transforming nutrients into suitable energy-carrying chemicals or > building blocks for cell components. > Pumps to move stuff into or out of cell compartments, and many other > functions needed to make a living cell thrive. > > DNA doesn't do much by itself. It's the molecular machines that do the > work. > > >>> Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle, >>> though not in the mystical or religious sense. >> >> I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?" >> >> They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard to >> explore an infinite space serially. > > Hmm. When I design a circuit, I don't randomly jump through solution > space. I start with something simple, then identify limitations and add > or change things to address them. I may add bootstraps or cascodes to > reduce the effect of parasitic capacitance. Add buffers to reduce load > or output impedance effects. Add symmetry to tackle thermal or offset > issues. > Change or add components to tweak phase/frequency responses. Move > components around to reduce parasitics, or to profit from some > fortuitous beneficial one. And so on. > > Basically I'll choose some promising starting point and then try to move > forward through the solution space, exploring interesting branches on > the way. Rarely I'll throw everything out and start over. > > It's still a serial process. I can't see much of the space at once. > Maybe you can. So much the better for you. > > Jeroen Belleman Jeroen, this may be of interest to you.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hsby62