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From: *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Teilhard de Chardin - new documentary
Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 11:40:57 +0000
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Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:20:44 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 18:24:27 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> (RNS) - In the history of the Catholic Church, too many innovative
>>>>> thinkers were persecuted before they were accepted and then embraced
>>>>> by the church.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The list includes St. Thomas Aquinas (whose books were burned by the
>>>>> bishop of Paris), St. Ignatius Loyola (who was investigated by the
>>>>> Spanish Inquisition) and St. Mary MacKillop (an Australian nun who was
>>>>> excommunicated by her bishop for uncovering and reporting clergy child
>>>>> sex abuse).
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's not surprising, then, that a French Jesuit scientist, Pierre
>>>>> Teilhard de Chardin, who tried to bridge the gap between faith and
>>>>> science, got himself in trouble with church officials and his Jesuit
>>>>> superiors in the 20th century. Only after his death was he recognized
>>>>> as the inspired genius that he was.
>>>>> 
>>>>> His story is magnificently told in a new PBS documentary, "Teilhard:
>>>>> Visionary Scientist," which was produced by Frank Frost Productions in
>>>>> a 13-year labor of love. It took Frank and Mary Frost to four
>>>>> countries on three continents, a total of 25 locations, and included
>>>>> more than 35 interviews.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [?]
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Teilhard: Visionary Scientist" will premiere on Maryland Public
>>>>> Television on May 19 and be available for national and international
>>>>> streaming for two years, beginning on May 20, on the free PBS app.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2024/05/13/pierre-teilhard-de-chardin-pbs-documentary-247920
>>>>> 
>>>> Will this awkwardness be included in the magnificent retelling?:
>>>> ?Teilhard has been criticized as incorporating common notions of Social
>>>> Darwinism [sic] and scientific racism into his work, along with support for
>>>> eugenics,[41] Teilhard sharply criticized the idea of racial equality,
>>>> saying in 1929: "Do the yellows?[the Chinese]?have the same human value as
>>>> the whites? [Fr.] Licent and many missionaries say that their present
>>>> inferiority is due to their long history of Paganism. I'm afraid that this
>>>> is only a 'declaration of pastors.' Instead, the cause seems to be the
>>>> natural racial foundation?"[41] Too, he said in 1936, "As not all ethnic
>>>> groups have the same value, they must be dominated, which does not mean
>>>> they must be despised?quite the reverse?In other words, at one and the same
>>>> time there should be official recognition of: (1) the primacy/priority of
>>>> the earth over nations; (2) the inequality of peoples and races."[41] And
>>>> around 1937, he said, "What fundamental attitude?should the advancing wing
>>>> of humanity take to fixed or definitely unprogressive ethnical groups? The
>>>> earth is a closed and limited surface. To what extent should it tolerate,
>>>> racially or nationally, areas of lesser activity? More generally still, how
>>>> should we judge the efforts we lavish in all kinds of hospitals on saving
>>>> what is so often no more than one of life?s rejects??To what extent should
>>>> not the development of the strong?take precedence over the preservation of
>>>> the weak?"[41]
>>>> In 1951, Teilhard continued to argue for racial and individual eugenics,
>>>> and wrote a strongly worded criticism of the United Nations declaration of
>>>> the Equality of Races. He continued to argue for eugenics as late as 1953,
>>>> two years before his death.[41] Nevertheless, he has also been defended by
>>>> theologian John F. Haught.[42][43]?
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/teilhard-eugenics
>>>> 
>>>> https://ejournals.bc.edu/index.php/ctsa/article/view/11473/9623
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Funny how that author of that piece chooses to quote so much from an
>>> attack on Teilhard by Slattery, a recent doctoral graduate, but quotes
>>> nothing from the dismantling of his arguments by Haught, a
>>> Distinguished Research Professor. Equally funny that you give a link
>>> to Slattery's response to Haught without referring at all to Haught's
>>> arguments. [1]
>>> 
>>> Echoes of those who take isolated quotes from Darwin's work out of
>>> context to make him out to have been a racist.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [1] https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/trashing-teilhard
>>> 
>>> 
>> Credentialism duly noted, alongside evasion of the issues addressed by
>> newbie PhD Slattery, how dare he go up against a Distinguished Research
>> Professor. 
> 
> Yet again, you cannot attack me for what I said so you try to attack
> me for something I did *not* say.
> 
You’re the one who resorted to flaunting social status of the Distinguished
Research Professor over the lowly recent doctoral graduate, indicative of
an overweening arrogant condescension I’ve come to expect from you. 
> 
>
> Nyikos is dead, ling live Hemidactylus!
> 
Topped off by a gratuitous insult.  

I get it. Your hero Teilhard can have no warts.