Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 18:40:24 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: [OT] German politician successfully prosecuted for telling the truth References: <20240522125702.0000756a@example.com> <4-OdnQTEt7B6lc37nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 11:49:47 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 71 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-t9SRQLeMLGfpANhTucZshjPLNZi2AJUWi6M9e5/ef8TDTeu5umljcWXSvGdpLfMNXz4ogU725qIvv0b!cxDIp0KQ8b54G/oX5zUnPLJUgVTcEtGli/Ix9YpTDmIBogQf/39V2tApWBUZMvmHDSJaZg7vtviI!i8U= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4360 In article , moviePig wrote: > On 5/23/2024 11:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > > On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: > > > >> On 5/23/2024 6:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > >>> In article , > >>> moviePig wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > >>>>> In article , > >>>>> moviePig wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > >>>>>>> In article , > >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense > >>>>>>>> against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously, > >>>>>>>> it isn't. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As I said, the truth is now illegal. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in > >>>>>>> a discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred" > >>>>>>> merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie. > >>>>> > >>>>> And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because > >>>>> you've created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some > >>>>> nebulous concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all > >>>>> political opposition and have created a dictatorial society where > >>>>> anyone who speaks against you is criminalized. > >>>>> > >>>>> And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about > >>>>> the need to "protect muh democracy!" > >>>> > >>>> There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world > >>>> to allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything. The > >>>> ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding > >>>> judge. So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred" > >>>> charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is > >>>> unconstitutional > >>> > >>> Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so 'unconstitutional' > >>> isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were to be passed here, > >>> it would absolutely without question be unconstitutional. > >>> > >>>> or that there's no valid reason it applies here. > >>> > >>> There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere. > >> > >> Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore. (Isn't > >> it?) How is its subjectivity different from that of pornography? > > > > https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1781169843351298050/vid/avc1/356x270/l > > HOICO1gYm5AAqF8.mp4?tag=14 > > > > Incitement to hate? Should they all be arrested? > > I don't understand what I'm seeing/hearing there. A large crowd in front of Trump Tower chanting "New York hates you!"