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From: Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Full video of ship hitting and destroying the Francis Scott Key
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 08:43:37 -0700
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On 4/1/2024 8:05 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:27:34 -0700, Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
>>>> Distressing to see "old folks" who just put it in reverse and HOPE
>>>> (it appears many elderly have problems rotating their heads that far)
>>>
>>> It is possible.
>>
>> I suspect it is the case.  As I get older, I am more observant of still older
>> folks' physical and mental "conditions".  The "don't look backwards while in
>> reverse" syndrome seems to be very real.
> 
> It is.  I'm in my 70s, and no longer can look over my shoulders, so I
> try to maneuver the car enough to see for instance oncoming traffic
> when entering a highway.  My wife also has this problem, but a bit
> less so.

Is this because of accretions on the vertebrae?  Stenosis?  etc.
I.e., is it "just uncomfortable" or id it mechanically not possible?
(e.g., my elbow was broken, as a child, and a bone spur mechanically
prevents me from touching my shoulder; no pain, it just feels like
you're trying to open a door and something is in the way)

Said another way, can exercise/PT help you regain that motion?
Or, would an orthopedic surgery be required (as in my case)?

> Nor is it possible to see backwards out of modern cars, which have
> become far too aerodynamic, with tiny misplaced rear windows, so we
> depend on those backup cameras.  Which can be rendered useless by
> slush or droplets of water on the lens.

We have neither of those problems.  SUV (which is the modern day version
of a station wagon) has a full/upright pane of glass at the rear.
Likewise, many folks driving pickups, Yukons, Esplanades, Jeeps, etc.
(she wanted an SUV because all the other cards towered above her little
sedan!)

[Though we did have to remove the headrests from the rear seats
as they stood up too high to interfere with vision]