Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 02:01:24 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy References: <9kednTImBeTyi977nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>

<20240518200826.00006faf@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 02:01:24 +0000 Lines: 160 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-xcgwyiDHtwdX8goHXRTTxgZFY2Fnr9dPi4WKaolub7RViXoX5k5RooWs3ysVlTyfGmYhAMxCcZEd25N!XOH3FnMU5R8WoY1FHACDPN0fDNNRtXStRWKacFtN+bhg9ZvTjaOWnCngootsbnwjjHxUGbTE8Wud X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 8777 X-Original-Lines: 157 On May 18, 2024 at 5:08:26 PM PDT, "Rhino" wrote: > On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400 > moviePig wrote: > >> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> > In article , >> > moviePig wrote: >> > >> >> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> >>> In article , >> >>> moviePig wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >> >>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino" >> >>>>> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700 >> >>>>>> The Horny Goat wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701 >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for >> >>>>>>> >sight-readers, >> >>>>>>> >that means it's a racist form of white supremacy. >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> >(Because only white people can sight read perfectly or >> >>>>>>> >something.) >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black musicians >> >>>>>>> who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of the concert >> >>>>>>> pianists these days >> >>>>>>> are of Asian origin... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that >> >>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and >> >>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most >> >>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind screens so >> >>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not see >> >>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as white or >> >>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call >> >>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply >> >>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning because >> >>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume >> >>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not sure >> >>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support >> >>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the way >> >>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if this was >> >>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be replaced >> >>>>>> by hiring on the basis of skin colour. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny >> >>>>>> all of this and/or defend it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots, >> >>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be >> >>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that >> >>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most >> >>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it >> >>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and >> >>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race they are, >> >>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's ability >> >>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good >> >>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially >> >>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over whites) is a >> >>>>> major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to result >> >>>>> in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. When pure >> >>>>> talent and ability are the only factors available upon which to >> >>>>> base a decision, the resulting orchestras aren't 'diverse' >> >>>>> enough for the intelligentsia. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to >> >>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can actively >> >>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring >> >>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to play >> >>>>> the music. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of >> >>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern >> >>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid >> >>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too >> >>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no plan to >> >>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players (or any >> >>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place). >> >>>>> Wonder why that is? >> >>>> >> >>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action' >> >>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your view? >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class >> >>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to >> >>> whitey. >> >>> >> >>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than >> >>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised >> >>> you cheerlead for it. >> >>> >> >>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and >> >>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on >> >>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how that's >> >>> not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that needs >> >>> 'fixing'. >> >> >> >> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.: >> >> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an >> >> artificially bifurcate society. >> > >> > But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial >> > about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they may >> > with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance groups. >> > >> > A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial >> > occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases, >> > the best people for the job are the ones who are hired. >> > >> > Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a >> > mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'? >> > >> > Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations >> > are what they are because they hired the best people for the job. >> > Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that needs >> > to be fixed? >> >> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given >> instance. >> > Which says absolutely nothing as is typical for you when you fail to > defend the indefensible. Here's how DIE is working out in the federal judiciary... Among top LSAT scorers (170 or above), 82.5% are white, 15.2% are Asian, 1.6% hispanic, and 0.3% black. State Bar exam passage rates averaged over the 50 states: 76.2% white, 11.4% Asian, 7.3% hispanic, 4.6% black. 80% of lawyers in the United States are white. Biden's 200 federal judges: 30% white, 50% Hispanic and black, 14% Asian. It's obvious what happened here: https://ibb.co/VM0r1hc (*Numbers do not include Native Americans and Pacific Islanders.)