Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Police shooting videos leaves questions unanswered Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:22:22 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: Injection-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2024 16:22:22 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c0e7c23ba7de356d770348dfcaa1d305"; logging-data="357372"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Lk717C/3xj7cE2hluzBV+JqH0pRC81/o=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:d59VvG/WK6NgMRZU3uXk6oG3NA8= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Bytes: 3355 Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop, a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit. The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with pay, not just desk duty. Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle officers. This makes no sense. Clearly, police identified the vehicle and, because he had pending gun charges (no state ID and no state concealed carry permit), I'm guessing they wanted to perform a search to see if he was still carrying. Among the gun charges from having been found with a gun at a major picnic was "unlawful use" despite not threatening anyone. He also had a retail theft charge but that was dropped, implying there was no gun use. I don't know what orders police had already given the driver that we can't tell from this one video, but he was ordered to roll down his window, which he did but he rolled it back up again part way. He was also ordered to roll down a rear window, which we don't see. He was also ordered to unlock the doors and open them, which he did not do. Then we hear gunshots, lots of gunshots. It seems to me that they were already proceeding to take him into custody before we see this video's footage. If it were an ordinary traffic stop, you hand over required ID and proof of insurance as ordered by the officer, but the purpose of rolling down the window is to allow the officer to visually search, and that gets into the rules of reasonable suspicion and probable cause. The driver has civil rights against warrantless search to assert. The traffic stop was for a seat belt violation? https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/03/21/police-officer-shot-person-critically-wounded-in-humboldt-park/ https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/04/09/police-shot-at-dexter-reed-96-times-in-41-seconds-during-deadly-shootout-watchdog-graphic-video/ https://vimeo.com/930385500 https://vimeo.com/930385577 Video from neighbor with audio https://vimeo.com/931083833 The videos have links to other related videos. I haven't gone through them all.