Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi5 versus other cheap Intel based boxes for general computing Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 10:19:06 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <7iuq0jhktvipg5vjiaenk2101hdvtfnpru@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 09:19:08 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bad91892b20e6b0f483ce66b4a2ceaed"; logging-data="602395"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19hVNTTAyHHGTlJX0T9TJl/TQ8y8dUz45LmUqo1ZovHlw==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:XOXbPG0VKR9RZX3Lur1cnnWNnQA= In-Reply-To: <7iuq0jhktvipg5vjiaenk2101hdvtfnpru@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3627 On 03/04/2024 16:54, John Larkin wrote: > On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 17:38:29 +0200, Jeroen Belleman > wrote: > >> On 4/3/24 16:57, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 05:21:26 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> What somone learned when he replaced a cheap Pi 5 PC with a no-name Amazon mini desktop >>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/what-i-learned-when-i-replaced-my-cheap-pi-5-pc-with-a-no-name-amazon-mini-desktop/ >>>> >>>> All that said, I post this from a Pi4 8GB, it is sometimes really slow, >>>> but I like and use the GPIO port. >>>> >>> >>> Considering how important a computer is to our professional and >>> personal lives, why do people go to great effort to save a few >>> dollars? >>> >>> If a cheap PC fails, it will take days of your time, or more likely >>> weeks, to recover. >>> >> >> If an expensive one fails, it takes just a much. It is sometimes worth paying a premium to have a machine that is fast enough for your immediate project needs (even if cheaper ones are more easily available). You pay quite a high premium for that last bit of performance when it is still very new. >> >> Jeroen Belleman > > Presumably it fails less often. Cheap electrolytics, cheap fans, > under-cooled parts will fail. Some of the best designed PCs are from the gaming community suppliers. If you remove the graphics card entirely the main CPU graphics system is more than good enough for all 2D design and some 3D rendering work. They perform incredibly well and have huge slow fans so under ordinary heavy loads they remain very quiet. Ones intended for corporate office workers tend to have inadequate power supplies and small noisy fans reflecting their typical workload and noisy environment. > I just bought four new identical tower PCs, for work, home, cabin, and > a spare. Once my main box was set up, we cloned the SS drives to the > other three. So if my work PC dies, I have three others available. Your choice but owning several machines of the same vintage leaves you exposed to any glitches in the new machines or their OS's. MS has been known to brick portables on Win10/11 from time to time - not fun at all. > They have identical monitors too, so my desktop won't go crazy if the > video resolution changes. I hate when that happens. That is a bit OCD. -- Martin Brown