Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Alec Baldwin getting away with murder Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 08:42:45 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 94 Message-ID: References: <1797980814.731492324.194688.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com> <17ba9b03ee0e9624$13863$3298354$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:42:45 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bd0c541618a287d785fece4b76c3ffe4"; logging-data="3805039"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX197WOCeq1XhTDK6sSQcKPL9" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:I6GqLPSbNEcUAjG+Lc191hdmUlg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 5889 On 3/10/24 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , FPP > wrote: > >> On 3/8/24 10:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , FPP >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 3/7/24 5:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article >>>>> <17ba9b03ee0e9624$13863$3298354$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/7/2024 4:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article , Alan Smithee >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03/07/2024 01:42 PM, EGK wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 09:59:02 -0700, anim8rfsk >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Classic example of shit rolling downhill and our two-tiered justice >>>>>>>>> system. Baldwin is "loose" with weapons on the set and he fires the >>>>>>>>> fatal shot but because he hired a young and very inexperienced >>>>>>>>> armorer, she ends up being the perfect scapegoat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did you watch the trial yesterday? She was quoted as saying she could >>>>>>>> not be responsible for everyone on the set. Even tho it is her job to >>>>>>>> be responsible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Baldwin should be held accountable, but he will likely walk. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once upon a time, I spent an afternoon on the CSI:HORATIO set as a >>>>>>> technical advisor (the episode dealt with counterfeit currency and they >>>>>>> took none of my advice regarding how what they were doing wasn't >>>>>>> accurate in any way), and in every scene with guns, as soon as they >>>>>>> yelled cut, the armorer zipped in and took everyone's pistols and put >>>>>>> them on a table over in the corner of the sound stage. He stood watch >>>>>>> over them until the resets were done and they were ready to go again, >>>>>>> then he handed them all back out again.** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (I do not know if there was a separate sunglass wrangler for David >>>>>>> Caruso.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **The armorer guy went white as a sheet near the end of the day when it >>>>>>> came to his attention that I'd been sitting on set all afternoon with >>>>>>> an actual loaded handgun under my suit coat. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Based on what I saw that day and how firearms are treated on set by a >>>>>>> responsible armorer, Baldwin should never have been playing around with >>>>>>> a gun outside of an actual filmed scene, and certainly shouldn't have >>>>>>> been pointing it at people. What possible reason could he have had for >>>>>>> pointing it at the director and the DP? >>>>>> >>>>>> Was he not rehearsing a scene that called for him to point the gun at >>>>>> the camera and then to "fire"? If he was, then I can buy that he did no >>>>>> worse than most movie actors would've. >>>>> >>>>> Another thing the CSI folks had were dummy guns for such rehearsals. Big >>>>> hunks of brightly-colored plastic that are shaped like handguns. >>>>> >>>>> E.g.: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.securityprousa.com/collections/training-guns >>>>> >>>>> They used those for rehearsals and only brought out the real guns for an >>>>> actual take. Even in the actual take, only the people whose guns needed >>>>> to cycle for realism were given real firearms. Everyone else had black >>>>> painted gun replicas that were nothing but solid pieces of plastic. They >>>>> looked real on camera but had no ability to shoot anything. >>>>> >>>> Then go and try THAT case, because it has nothing to do with THIS one. >>> >>> It shows that compared to other productions in the same industry, this >>> movie was playing fast and loose with safety. >>> >> So prove that was Baldwin's fault. > > Baldwin was the producer. The captain is responsible for his ship. > Nope. A producer isn't a captain, and they HAVE people on set who have that responsibility already. That's why the AD pled out and the armorer was convicted. All that is GOOD for Baldwin. -- "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0 Gracie, age 6. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0