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From: Ron Dean <rondean-noreply@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Wistar Symposium "Mathematical Challenge to Neo-Darwinism".
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 12:45:09 -0400
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Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 18:39:35 -0700, the following appeared in
> talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
> <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
> 
>> On 6/1/24 5:56 PM, El Kabong wrote:
>>> Ron Dean wrote:
>>>
>>>> We've discussed this before. I think originally the genetic code was
>>>> robust, but over time due to the 2/ND law and missed errors in copying,
>>>> the robustness declined and continues to decline. This I
>>>> think was anticipated from the beginning of the genetic code and several
>>>> proofreading and repair machines were implanted into the code. But even
>>>> these proofreading and repair systems are subject to errors over time.
>>>> However, they still catch overwhelming numbers of mutations and corrects
>>>> them, but not all. The evidence I think supports this. Still, each
>>>> generation inherits the mutations from previous generations and develops
>>>> new mutations, all of which is passed on down. At some distant time the
>>>> genetic code in each species becomes increasingly less robust until
>>>> reproduction
>>>> ceases and we see this in many extinctions as recorded in the fossil
>>>> record.
>>>
>>> Your invocation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a
>>> common creationist diversion.  It started as a deliberate
>>> misrepresentation, and spread among the ignoratti such as
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> The earth is awash in exergy.  It has always been there
>>> for the taking.  The 2nd law has naught to do with
>>> genetic drift.  Extinction almost always happens due to
>>> environment & competition, humans included.
>>>
>>> You should ask an engineer to explain entropy and the 2nd
>>> Law to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>> If one looks at the fossil record with _no_ biases, I think what we find
>>>> is the abrupt appearance of most (if not all) species in the strata,
>>>> then long periods of stasis followed by sudden disappearance.
>>>> I think Dr Stephen J. Gould was an honest scientist who voiced what was
>>>> actually observed in the fossil record without bias or an overriding
>>>> commitment to convention.
>>>
>>> So Gould was an IDer.  Who knew?
>>>
>> Now, now.  Gould wasn't/isn't the last word of authority, especially
>> since he's been gone many years now, but his opinion that "replaying
>> life's tape" would produce nothing like what we see is the antithesis of
>> intelligent design.  Ron's misunderstanding of almost everything about
>> evolutionary biology (Gould included) is becoming legendary.  He claims
>> to be an engineer, but what kind?
>>
> Sanitation? No competent *actual* engineer who understands
> thermodynamics would make the sort of egregious errors
> regarding the scope and application of the 2nd Law shown
> above. 
 >
You don't know what your "talking" about. When something unwinds, runs 
down or becomes disordered, this is increasing entropy, there is no 
energy for work; which is in accordance with the 2/nd law.
>>
Entropy in  a system is a measure of the _unavailable_ energy in a 
closed thermodynamic system that is a a measure of the system's 
disorder, that is a property of the system's state, and that varies 
directly with any reversible change in heat in the system: the degree of 
disorder or uncertainty in a system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_entropy