Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 03:26:30 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: [OT] German politician successfully prosecuted for telling the truth References: <20240522125702.0000756a@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Message-ID: <4-OdnQTEt7B6lc37nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 03:26:31 +0000 Lines: 64 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-6jVsext2jCkTGt0tILAojtuM1v+TXbJ6NyoONRz02VVDdCSXeJDLV/xuZQyOz6cHuggqcfyOMkdP3YF!2x750ItbKhgnsJG3ZPe0c2SbZxh8avv/wyEbOcz6RU2CqfzWPcVdjur3fwDm7znbP+W9ADm9VSuE X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3978 X-Original-Lines: 63 On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: > On 5/23/2024 6:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> In article , >> moviePig wrote: >> >>> On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> In article , >>>> moviePig wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> In article , >>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote: >>>>>>>> Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense >>>>>>> against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously, >>>>>>> it isn't. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I said, the truth is now illegal. >>>>>> >>>>>> But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in a >>>>>> discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred" >>>>>> merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda. >>>>> >>>>> As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie. >>>> >>>> And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because you've >>>> created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some nebulous >>>> concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all political >>>> opposition and have created a dictatorial society where anyone who >>>> speaks against you is criminalized. >>>> >>>> And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about >>>> the need to "protect muh democracy!" >>> >>> There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world to >>> allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything. The >>> ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding >>> judge. So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred" >>> charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is >>> unconstitutional >> >> Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so >> 'unconstitutional' isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were >> to be passed here, it would absolutely without question be >> unconstitutional. >> >>> or that there's no valid reason it applies here. >> >> There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere. > > Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore. (Isn't > it?) How is its subjectivity different from that of pornography? https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1781169843351298050/vid/avc1/356x270/lHOICO1gYm5AAqF8.mp4?tag=14 Incitement to hate? Should they all be arrested?