Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Inconvenient lefties Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 10:26:05 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 83 Message-ID: References: <17c0c13d249c8eca$72548$1768716$4ad50060@news.newsdemon.com> <17c0ceb693286352$341$3121036$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com> <2MucnTxnR-96cJn7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <17c0fc54e55b8534$37200$3384359$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com> <17c109af9b28102b$53484$2218499$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:26:05 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="57e7f22618a88286219793465c2ee86f"; logging-data="365799"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18doOD/Yoqgrcer29oxFVTM" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:gGgiwkN9p+IMqY5QZxcWiJ7BC8o= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4929 On 3/28/24 6:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > moviePig wrote: >> On 3/28/2024 2:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article >>> <17c0fc54e55b8534$37200$3384359$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com>, >>> moviePig wrote: >>> >>>> On 3/28/2024 12:11 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> On Mar 27, 2024 at 8:05:40 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/27/2024 7:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article >>>>>>> <17c0c13d249c8eca$72548$1768716$4ad50060@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/27/2024 6:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>> "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Last Friday, a Chicago alderman (there are cockroaches with higher >>>>>>>>>>>> social standing) gave a speech at a rally outside city hall >>>>>>>>>>>> condemning Biden and support for Israel in the war against Hamas. >>>>>>>>>>>> A veteran had burned a special American flag >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that burning the American flag is protected speech, but >>>>>>>>>>> if you burn an Alphabet Mafia rainbow flag, you can get arrested for >>>>>>>>>>> a hate crime? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You mean a flag that does not belong to you, not your own flag. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, I mean any rainbow flag. If you go buy one yourself, then take it >>>>>>>>> to an anti-troon protest and burn it, it's a hate crime. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But if you buy an American flag and take it to an Antifa riot and >>>>>>>>> burn it, protected speech. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The former action is one of hate, the latter is one of protest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What if the former is one of protest, too? >>>>>> >>>>>> That'd be for a judge to be convinced of >>>>> >>>>> Since when do I have to convince the government of the reasons for my >>>>> speech to keep from being jailed for it? >>>>> >>>>> "Congress shall make no law..." >>>>> >>>>>> ...who might ask, e.g., whether the defendant *knew* how the act would >>>>>> be perceived. >>>>> >>>>> My right to free speech isn't dependent on how someone else-- with an >>>>> agenda of their own-- might perceive my words. >>>> >>>> Are you disputing laws against hate speech or how they're enforced? >>> >>> Both. Hate speech is protected speech per the Supreme Court and any laws >>> to the contrary are unconstitutional. >>> >>> National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 >>> (1977) >> >> One cold night, a homeless man builds and lights a bonfire that destroys >> a family's manicured lawn. Elsewhere, a well-known redneck erects and >> burns a wooden cross, destroying the lawn of a black family. >> >> To your mind, are these infractions fully equivalent to each other? > > Those are crimes, not speech. You didn't ask about hate crimes. You asked > about hate speech. > So change it to incitement to commit a crime by speech, then. -- "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0 Gracie, age 6. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0