Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: super70s Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Man With Suspended License Joins Court Zoom Hearing While Driving Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 06:01:08 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 144 Message-ID: References: <_hGdnR49YZaIVsX7nZ2dnZfqnPQAAAAA@giganews.com> <3qSdnQucBIFep8T7nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> <329487305.739440759.829026.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:01:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a706769becf43b23ddfa99c53788cd3c"; logging-data="2159198"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18KKCho3Jp4i1rBhUErKvQXNp/8YvTpjNE=" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:lkygEB5ysl6LBSrxsrfemwXKzlk= Bytes: 8170 On 2024-06-07 08:28:37 +0000, anim8rfsk said: > Adam H. Kerman wrote: >> Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>> Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>>>> BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> On May 30, 2024 at 1:49:58 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote: >> >>>>>>>> This is amazing. >> >>>>>>>> I just feel sorry for his poor lawyer, who's stuck trying to defend >>>>>>>> this idiot while he's committing crimes in real time in front of the >>>>>>>> judge. That's not something they cover in law school. >> >>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1795899966591803394/vid/avc1/480x270/Fth6y5IP9TumkjF3.mp4?tag=14 >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> His lawyer further pissed off the judge by saying he was only charged >>>>>>> with driving on a suspended license as the judge was looking at his >>>>>>> license record and could see that it was still suspended. >> >>>>>>> I saw the Steve Lehto video this morning. I was thinking of posting >>>>>>> about it but you beat me to it. >> >>>>>> I must have missed the “How to Deal With Dumbass Clients Who Commit Crimes >>>>>> *In* Court” class in law school. >> >>>>> With as heavy a LART as you can carry, applied directly to the skull, >>>>> having first asked the judge's permission to confer with your client? >> >>>> I'm going to have to withdraw my initial impression of this matter and >>>> apologize to the defendant. It turns out he was caught in a Kafa-esque >>>> nightmare of bureaucracy. >> >>>> However, my initial impression of his lawyer still stands. She sucks. >>>> She needed to consult with her client, to draw out of him exactly what >>>> was going on, and then present it to the judge to gain sympathy. >> >>>> Under legal ethics, a lawyer is obligated to represent the client to the >>>> best of his or her ability and that's not what happened here. >> >>>> There was a followup Steve Lehto video. In his earlier veto, he >>>> explained that video clips from this judge's courtroom get posted to >>>> social media frequently because he just doesn't take any guff. >> >>>> After this defendant was exposed to worldwide humiliation, the Detroit >>>> tv station with the nation's most famous call letters WXYZ tracked him >>>> down. >> >>>> Historic note: In radio days, WXYZ was a major source of programs fed to >>>> the Mutual Broadcasting System. The Lone Ranger and the Green Hornet, >>>> both of which began as radio dramas, were produced in the Detroit radio >>>> studios of WXYZ. >> >>>> He was fucked. >> >>>> His driver's license was suspended in 2010 for failure to pay child >>>> support. He must have gotten the child support matter cleared up because >>>> a judge lifted the suspension. Now, there is no automatic process to >>>> file a judge's order with the state driver's services bureau. He was >>>> relying upon something called "Michigan Friend of the Court" to perform >>>> this duty but they failed to do so. I have no idea if he could have >>>> obtained a copy of the judge's order then gone directly to the >>>> appropriate state office to file it to receive an immediate lift of the >>>> suspension on their records. >> >>> Ah. >> >>> "Michigan Friend of the Court" is the intermediary between the court and >>> the state child welfare bureau. He needed not just the judge's order but >>> paperwork from this office to file with the state's driver's license >>> bureau. While there is an automatic process in which the driver's >>> license bureau notes that there is a suspension due to a judge's order >>> or other court action, there is no automatic process lifting the >>> suspension (if there isn't something else on the record suspending the >>> license) because the driver's services bureau may also impose its own >>> fee to process paperwork lifting the suspension in their database. >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMqGCQN2Gx4 >> >>> Fees, fines, and court costs are simply revenue raising matters to avoid >>> raising taxes. >> >>>> Until the state driver's service bureau shows that the suspension was >>>> lifted on their records, then both the police and the court using their >>>> system continue to see the suspension. >> >> No. Fucking. Way. >> >> Lehto watched the video of this guy's court hearing. This time, everyone >> is in the courtroom. >> >> There is no record that this man ever had a driver's license. Let me >> repeat. There is no record that this man ever had a driver's license. >> >> Upon convening the hearing, the judge makes this announcement on record to >> counter all of the media coverage. >> >> There is no record that this man ever had a driver's license. >> >> How does the judge know this? In Michigan, the state ID issued by the >> driver's services bureau is available ONLY to those people who do not >> hold a driver's license. Remember that citation for driving on a >> suspended license last October? The man claimed that the reason he >> didn't clear it up was that he was laid up. The judge asked, Where were >> you on December 28? The man said he was at home. The judge pointed out >> that's incorrect. He was at the driver's services bureau renewing his >> state ID. It appears he's been renewing the state ID since he was a kid, >> although I'm not sure the judge checked the record that far back. >> >> Worse still, he has an older citation that he still hasn't handle on a >> previous charge of driving on a suspended license. The judge told him he >> was going to be taken into custody AGAIN for that charge. >> >> That's two pending driving on a suspended license charges. I'm wondering >> how the hell the cops who pulled him over utterly missed the fact he >> never had a driver's license. >> >> How can his license be suspended? Because if he ever tries to apply, >> they want to block the application till the issue leading to the >> suspension are resolved. >> >> That's the unpaid child support, then the judge's order that lifted the >> suspension. The Michigan Friend of the Court, the intermediary with the >> child support bureau, did not make a bureaucratic mistake. >> >> Once that paperwork is taken care of, he'll be able to apply to have the >> suspension lifted. Turns out the filing fee is $1.25. >> >> The judge was trying to help the guy and set the next court hearing for >> August in order to give the man plenty of time to resolve the >> suspension, and once he does that, apply for and pass his driving test >> and finally obtain a license. > > > Why? Why do we possibly want this guy to have a drivers license? Seth Meyers did several jokes last night around this lawyer who accidentally left his cat filter on during a Zoom call. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3M_Ki5U3TE