Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.xcski.com!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: JTEM Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Interesting: The Dunning-Kruger Effect Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 16:09:33 -0400 Organization: Eek Lines: 78 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: Reply-To: jtem01@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="83117"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:UjWBcywvLN39JkEvA9oHEJX+hrA= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 52108229872; Thu, 06 Jun 2024 16:09:33 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3713822986E for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2024 16:09:31 -0400 (EDT) id 9DE6C7D12E; Thu, 6 Jun 2024 20:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EED47D12A for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2024 20:09:37 +0000 (UTC) id E6D0ADC01A9; Thu, 6 Jun 2024 22:09:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2024 22:09:35 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX192qVcpQ7odnGz8Rgs9xnouf7tVQcCmXV4= Bytes: 4353 The supposed dunning kruger effect gets kicked around a lot on the interwebs, It seems particularly popular with the Gwobull Warblists, especially when they aren't even familiar with the narrative they are upholding as "Science." Try it sometime. Corner a Gwobull Warblists and ask them things like HOW MUCH CO2 it took to touch off their precocious Gwobull Warbling, and WHEN did this first occur? Then ask them how much CO2 the human race exhales in a year, and what the difference is between this figure and human-expelled CO2 when the earth first tipped the Gwobull Warbling scales... They have no clue. None. Zip, zero & nil. Anyway, so morons often invoke the dunning kruger effect but, how real is it in the first place? https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/your-managers-think-doing-great-employees-disagree.html Managers routinely believe that they are better than they are. Managers rate themselves as more accessible than do their employees.... This "Study" found that 59% of managers believe that they offer recognition for good work, while only 35% of employees see them as offer adequate recognition. That's a difference of 24 points! If we thought about it, rather than merely switching handles and suffering a conniption, we could probably come up with any number of ideas on why there could be such divides. One of the more generous, and obvious, is differing views on what constitutes performance, motivation, accessibility... etc. Priorities? A manager whose /Priorities/ differ from his plebs would naturally see themselves as offering good recognition for hard work, while the plebs do not see this. This does not mean that the manager is good, btw. They could be placing a great deal of value on things that shouldn't matter, like being treated with all "due" reverence... "I'm the manager! NEVER question! Always agree! Always obey!" Ever have a "Micro Manager?" How do you think they would rate themselves? The overall point here, the great take-away is the fact that the Great & Powerful "Dunning-Kruger Effect" is really about perspective. "Good" is subjective. "Right" is subjective. Things that should never ever be subjective, like "Beneficial," are subjective. Want to go darker? Ultimately the dunning kruger effect is a bias confirmation. You agree with the status quo, the status quo assures you that makes you positively *Brilliant* while anyone who fails to auto agree is a Dunning-Kruger moron. If they weren't, they would have already agreed with you.... -- https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5