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From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: George Coyne and Richard Dawkins
Date: Tue, 21 May 2024 18:39:17 +0100
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On Tue, 21 May 2024 14:58:19 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

>Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 21 May 2024 10:54:16 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2024 17:16:16 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In this interview, at the point I link to:
>>>>>
>>>>>https://youtu.be/68ejfHahFK4?t=254
>>>>>
>>>>>Father Coyne offers Neodarwinian Evolution as an explanation for,
>>>>>among other things, the origin of the universe. And Professor
>>>>>Dawkins agrees with him. How does evolution of any kind have
>>>>>anything to do with the origin of the universe? surely it would need
>>>>>something to evolve from?
>>>>
>>>> I got the impression that he was using "evolution" in a wider sense
>>>> than just *biological* evolution, that life itself "evolved" from
>>>> chemical reactions.
>>>
>>>I suppose you could interpret "origin of the universe" as "origin of
>>>the content of the universe" and then say that it evolved from pure
>>>energy. But I am not sure if that is evolution strictly, or just
>>>changing from one thing to another. And I am not sure if energy is
>>>different from content, or if universe is different from content of
>>>the universe. In summary, I am not sure.
>>
>> When talking about a subject in what is essentially a metaphysical
>> way. I think we shouldn't get too hung up on the precise meaning of
>> specific words, it's the ideas behind the words that matter.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A fascinating interview that I had not seen before, thanks for the
>>>> link. Whilst I was aware of George Coyne, I never really explored
>>>> his ideas before and I was fascinated by how much what he was saying
>>>> echoed my own beliefs and ideas - there was nothing he said that I
>>>> would argue with and I thought he handled Dawkins extremely well.
>>>
>>>The TV series from which it was excluded was quite entertaining. I
>>>think in that series Dawkins was struggling to keep the lid on his
>>>temper at times, although that could just be his natural expression.
>>
>> I wasn't aware of that series. Any idea why this episode was excluded?
>
>At the beginning of the video Dawkins explains that it was left out as
>there was too much overlap with an interview with the Archbishop of
>Canterbury.

OK, I forgot that your link started ~4 mins in. I'll be interested to
hunt down the Archbishop of Canterbury episode, but I'd expect it to
have a lot of overlap with George Coyne. I think that a lot of USians
make the mistake of regarding the likes of Ken Ham as a representative
of mainstream Christianity when he isn't - at least not outside the
USA!