Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Isaak Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Lincoln's Letter to the Editor of the N,Y, Tribune Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 18:32:58 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <2e5n3j1u9a0pdcmpd4m78l2dssq3kns552@4ax.com> <7Ya3O.2266$gKW1.1925@fx13.iad> <%Lq3O.283$8CY1.60@fx37.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="62667"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:yzOZauB0G+oxX0URF4sfRevn9Hw= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id EB9AE229870; Wed, 22 May 2024 21:32:53 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B32DD22986E for ; Wed, 22 May 2024 21:32:51 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1s9xKP-000000009fc-2AOO; Thu, 23 May 2024 03:33:09 +0200 id E0B92DC01A9; Thu, 23 May 2024 03:32:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 03:32:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+JJFOKEAS3GQ4AGJOEvYbD83HE5c9rnzY= In-Reply-To: <%Lq3O.283$8CY1.60@fx37.iad> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3768 Chez Watt nomination. Category: What logic looks like when you can't admit a mistake. >> This really isn't difficult. I fail to see how you have so many >> problems with it. >> >> Yes, Lincoln's goal was to preserve the Union. >> Why did the Union need preserving? >> Because slave states seceded. (Not "succeeded".) >> Why did those states secede? >> Slavery. >> Don't take my word for it. >> Look up the Articles of Secession. Read the Cornerstone speech. >> It's all written down. >> > You are right. This was the South's reason for the secession, but > secession was due to a misunderstanding of Lincoln's objective. This > based upon Lincoln's expressed words as to his objective in his letter > almost 2 years after the start of the war. -- Mark Isaak "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell