Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Casanova Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 10:23:11 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 70 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="31474"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:M51XoO2u5pugf3rMP81NWJxESrA= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 28A0022976C; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:19:35 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00513229758 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:19:32 -0400 (EDT) id 9153D7D122; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 17:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708ED7D009 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 17:23:14 +0000 (UTC) id 87EBBDC01BA; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 18:23:13 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18sEDTGNvLsHuz2xjCu+L+gyjWRFtcszZP+XRghiyagdr1Hfcubyhr8 Bytes: 5282 On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 06:51:17 -0500, the following appeared in talk.origins, posted by RonO : >https://www.science.org/content/article/west-virginia-opens-door-teaching-intelligent-design > >Last year this boob tried to slip in teaching intelligent design by >adding one sentence to a decades old act to allow teaching intelligent >design in the public schools. The bill didn't make it to the governor. >This year she took out the words "intelligent design" but admits that >intelligent design could be taught using her legislation. It is sort of >like Louisiana not stating what they wanted to teach about scientific >creationism. The Supreme court ruled that even though the dishonest >legislators tried to slip it through, there was little doubt about what >they wanted to teach. If the governor signs this bill we will see how >it gets interpreted. > Obviously, all of those listed in the section "Monotheism" in this article... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity ....as well as those shown in this one... https://medium.com/@mythopia/twelve-creator-gods-abridged-article-c32c5ae26930 ....will have to be included, as will multiple others, most not part of monotheism (Creation can be a "team effort", after all...). Inclusion and equity, y'know... > >This again is testing the ID perp's "not required" to be taught scam. >They are not requiring ID to be taught, they are even lying about >wanting to teach it, so we will see how it goes if some stupid, ignorant >and likely dishonest teacher wants to use it to support their religious >beliefs in the science class. Really, how honest could a teacher be at >this point after decades of the ID scam bait and switch going down on >any hapless rubes that have wanted to teach the lame junk in the public >schools. No school board or legislator that has wanted to teach ID in >the public schools has ever gotten any ID science to teach from the ID >perps at the Discovery Institute. There has never been a public school >lesson plan put out for evaluation, and the Discovery Institute used to >claim that Of Pandas and People could be used as a text to teach the >junk, but that ended after the name change from creationism to ID was >exposed in Kitzmiller. > >I went to the ID scam unit web site at the Discovery Institute and it >looks like they did not refill the staff position that they had for the >person that was responsible for running the bait and switch on hapless >rubes that wanted to teach ID in the public schools. She left after >running the bait and switch on the Utah rubes back in 2017. It looks >like Oklahoma and West Virginia have been missed. My guess is that the >ID perps needed to save money and didn't think that they needed someone >to track the rubes and make sure that the bait and switch went down. It >looks like they were wrong. As crazy as it may seem there are still >creationist rubes that want to teach the junk when the bait and switch >has been going down for over 2 decades, and no one has ever gotten any >ID science to teach. All anyone has ever gotten is an obfuscation and >denial switch scam that the creationists do not like because they do not >want to teach their kids enough science for them to understand what they >have to deny. > >Ron Okimoto -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov