Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Dimensional Traveler Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.fandom Subject: Re: Babel Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 14:44:57 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 21:44:56 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9aeffeffef84a5a78e8c6e4b104db2b7"; logging-data="4025023"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19N26Jg+CCJYMc8KtImd7u/" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:pjP+sfSOSqvoRkvolQfs9omTGX8= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3730 On 3/28/2024 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler > wrote: > >> On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: >>> Keith F. Lynch wrote: >>>> Tim Illingworth wrote: >>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains. Russia has >>>>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not. >>>> >>>>> December 1814 not count? >>>> >>>> I think you mean August of that year. More recently there was an >>>> invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863. >>> >>> 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol building >>> anyway. >>> >>> The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on whether >>> you define the invaders as US citizens or not. Since the war was about >>> who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to define >>> them as rebellious citizens. My Confederate-supporting high school history >>> teacher would not do so, however. >>> >>>> Some might also count January 2021. Is it an invasion of all >>>> participants were US citizens? One person there was carrying the >>>> flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was probably >>>> just confused. >>> >>> Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness doesn't. >> >> Agreed, insurrection is not invasion. > > I find it amazing how many people are still niggling about this. > > Why is it so hard to believe that Russia, given its situation, has > been invaded more often than the USA? Is there a contest on to see > which country has been invaded most often? Is there a prize at stake? > > As to Jan 6 2021 -- if Trump is/was, in fact, an agent of Putin (as > many of his supporters appear to be, given their eagerness to gift > Putin Ukraine), then it was not an insurrection -- it was treason, > pure and simple. > > The interesting question is whether States can use their newly granted > authority to bar candidates from local office (but not for > President/VP) can bar candidates from Senate and House races? Although > they are part of the Federal gummint, they /do/ represent the State, > after all. With the current SC they will try to rule such that MAGA people cannot be barred but everyone else can be. :P -- I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky dirty old man.