Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Ron Dean Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: CONTRARY EVIDENCE (WASRe: Evide)nce! Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:39:16 -0400 Organization: Public Usenet Newsgroup Access Lines: 90 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <0jenvil40oto62hmdksnpgj5ab3m2c0a6a@4ax.com> <1gmNN.183646$hN14.153104@fx17.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="70339"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 13.4; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.1 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id A6D5B22976C; Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:35:43 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62586229758 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:35:41 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1rpzLD-00000001K7B-41sU; Fri, 29 Mar 2024 00:39:28 +0100 by nntpmail01.iad.omicronmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B409E16DD for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:39:18 +0000 (UTC) id A6D7E39C01C1; Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:39:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Path: fx48.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail In-Reply-To: X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@newsgroups-download.com X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:39:16 UTC Bytes: 6588 Martin Harran wrote: > On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:34:37 -0400, Ron Dean > wrote: > >> Martin Harran wrote: >>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:06:05 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2024-03-28 16:52:50 +0000, Mark Isaak said: >>>> >>>>> On 3/26/24 10:29 AM, Ron Dean wrote: >>>>>> Mark Isaak wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/25/24 10:26 AM, Ron Dean wrote: >>>>>>>> Mark Isaak wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 3/23/24 4:31 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Ron Dean wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Mark Isaak wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [snip >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And what about people for whom theism is their greatest motivator, such >>>>>>>>>>>> as Obama bin Laden? Cynicism seems a rational response. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you suggesting that Obama bin Laden is typical of Islam? If so, >>>>>>>>>>> you're probably right. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My apologies to Mark as I just Chez Watted this without realizing Mark had >>>>>>>>>> originally posted Osama bin Laden and in Ron Dean’s reply Mark’s spelling >>>>>>>>>> morphed to Obama bin Laden matching Ron Dean’s spelling. I wonder what that >>>>>>>>>> indicates about Ron Dean… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Even without the typo, Ron's reply shows that he is grossly bigoted >>>>>>>>> against Arabs and Moslems. The typo suggests that Blacks and Democrats >>>>>>>>> may be added to the list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here you are so unfair.  It's easy to make accusations and charges >>>>>>>> without even attempting to support them. This in and of itself >>>>>>>> demonstrates your extreme bias and hatred of anyone with a >>>>>>>> point of view, opinion or belief different from yours. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The support for your bigotry against Moslems is in your own post, and >>>>>>> that bigotry in turn is support for a suggestion of further bigotry. I >>>>>>> must admit that I had not considered the intervention of a >>>>>>> spell-checker. I have never known a spell-checker, uninvited, to alter >>>>>>> text that the user did not type himself. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I asked a question. "Are you suggesting that Osama bin Laden is typical >>>>>> of Islam? If so (if you confirmed) you are probably right". If you >>>>>> failed. I placed the burden on you! (Note here I defeated my >>>>>> spell-checker) >>>>> >>>>> Do you honestly not recognize the overt bigotry in what you just >>>>> repeated? It is really extremely gross and unforgivable. >>>> >>>> All the Muslims that I know (all highly educated women, at the moment) >>>> are perfectly decent people. All of them would be very insulted to be >>>> described as typical of Osama Ben Laden. None of them wear veils. A few >>>> years ago there was a student who did wear a veil, but that was only in >>>> her second when her husband came to join the institute. In her first >>>> year she didn't, and was perfectly happy to have her photo taken (by >>>> me) for a seminar series that my wife was organizing. She likewise had >>>> nothing in common with Osama Ben Laden. >>> >>> The problem is that bigots are generally unable to recognise their own >>> bigotry. When Ron Dean says that Osama bin Laden [1] is probably >>> typical of Islam, he simply doesn't realise how that shows his bigotry >>> towards Islam - I suspect that in his case, like most bigots IME, that >>> bigotry is based on total ignorance of the subject about which he is >>> bigoted. >>> >> I never said he is typical. I asked the question. > > You asked a question and followed it with your own opinion: > > > > "Are you suggesting that Obama bin Laden is typical of Islam? If so, > you're probably right." > If so, you're probably right, If not, you are probably right. > > > >>> >>> [1] I'm assuming his changing of that to Obama was unintentional >>> though I could easily be convinced otherwise. >>> >> It was the spell checker. And me not checking after the spell-checker! >