Path: ...!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 14:20:17 +0000 From: john larkin Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Quantum mystics Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 07:20:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 66 X-Trace: sv3-RQlwY1lMhE51wRvaMv4swNjusD19CpUSenkyyjg9oe55QN+nsDu5POnrVyt/+V56eoE7Re7deAleeuV!IS+EpChno00p99LuZsuztsye55O4wy8i+aaK3ghiLG+qD2bEYYj8hRJhN7UzHePKolNlv5ZxK+CW!EVsc+g== X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3897 On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 06:04:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote: >On a sunny day (Sun, 9 Jun 2024 20:46:53 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman > wrote in : > >>I just watched a talk by Anton Zeilinger, professor of physics >>at the university of Vienna, and 2022 Nobel laureate, about >>quantum effects and entanglement. >> >>I feel a rant bubbling up! >> >>The guy is a mystic, a fraud! He pretended to demonstrate that >>light consists of particles by showing a little box that starts >>clicking, like a Geiger counter, when exposed to light. Even if >>the little box really did detect light, that means nothing! Light >>*detection* is quantized, yes, but that does not imply that light >>itself is so too. >> >>He attempted to convince the public that entanglement means that >>the results of measurements made at two remote places come out >>identically, and without any time delay. That's just not true, >>but he didn't even give a hint of how this really works. He did >>not mention that you have to make *correlated* measurements to >>detect entanglement. For that, you need to communicate *what* >>measurement is to be made at each location, and that implies >>that you either prescribe the exact measurement in advance or >>select a subset of the results after the fact. Either way, this >>skews the data. >> >>He's in it for the money and the fame. Grrr. And he's one of >>many, too. >> >>Jeroen Belleman > >Agreed, so much quantum crap, almost like glowball worming sales... >Perfessors, Albert the stone counter.. >This is nice and came close to the space filled with a fluid paper you gave a link to: > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/06/240606152154.htm > it is likely not 100% correct, but a fluid of femtoscopic black holes? > >In my school days I came across cases that were obviously wrong, >I declined arguing with the teacher in the days before the exams.. > >Entanglement >Imagine you on the beach. >You put a ball in the water, and a few meters away somebody else does the same. >Mysteriously both balls go up and down at the same moment, >'entangled' >Wave crashing on the beach. >There was an experiment recently where they had 2 detectors in the lab, meters away, >connected by a mile of fiber. >Photons were entangled... >Well , in that beach experiment you can tie a wire a mile long between the balls and they still go up and down the same time. > >This is simplified, but the detection is then indeed quantified. >I like to play with PMTs etc, do those perfessors know ANYTHING about the equipment they use? >Or even DESIGNED anything ? But photon entanglement can't be explained, or even thought about, in classic-physics terms. Nor can single-photon interferance. Just accept and enjoy it.