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From: jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 01:00:06 -0400
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On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 16:48:04 -0400, Ron Dean
<rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:

>jillery wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:33:24 -0400, Ron Dean
>> <rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:
>[snip]
>>=20
>>> erik simpson wrote:
>>>> On 3/30/24 11:11 AM, Ron Dean wrote:
>>>>> Bob Casanova wrote:
>>>>> Advocates can point to empirical evidence which they claim supports
>>>>> intelligent design. However, they can not point to any evidence =
that
>>>>> they can claim points to the identity of the designer. But
>>>>> in their world that's sufficient. Evidence of design is the =
Cambrian
>>>>> explosion where a myriad of new body plans appeared abruptly,
>>>>> geologically speaking.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is information. How and from where did the information =
to
>>>>> build the bodies of the Cambrian animals come from? If the present =
is
>>>>> key to the past. At the present time, today information comes only
>>>>> from mind. So, must it have been during the Cambrian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>
>>>> You need to educate yourself about the "Cambrian Explosion".=C2=A0 =
It's been
>>>> a subject of great interest for many years, and there's a great deal
>>>> that's been learned about it.=C2=A0 "Intelligent design" has =
presented no
>>>> such record of accomplishment regarding this period, nor the =
preceding
>>>> Ediacaran period.=C2=A0 In fact, it hasn't any record of =
accomplishment
>>>> regarding any subsequent period.=C2=A0 "It looks designed, so it =
must be"
>>>> isn't evidence of anything except ignorance.=C2=A0 Ignorance itself =
isn't
>>>> bad, since there's an available remedy. Hint; information doesn't =
come
>>>> from the mind.=C2=A0 It goes IN to the mind.
>>>>
>>> Really, if information goes into mind, this still does not answer the
>>> source of information, especially the origin of highly complex
>>> information contained in DNA. Have researched this topic?
>>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaA-FcnLsF1g
>>=20
>>=20
>> Once again, you rely on baseless claims.  You offer zero basis to
>> claim that information comes only from a mind, either now or in the
>> past.=20
>>
>Information is knowledge from books, observation, communication,=20
>research, experience etc.. As such it requires mind. There are no known=20
>exceptions.


DNA information comes from none of the sources you identified above,
therefore it doesn't exist.  QED.


>  You identify zero empirical evidence that supports ID. Instead,
>> you wave an ignorant finger at events like the Cambrian Explosion and
>> things like "information" and "complexity", and baldly assert them
>> evidence of design.
> >
>Life itself is evidence of design.=20


Your comment above is not empirical evidence, but is instead a
baseless conclusion.  Try to recognize the difference.


>Why is there life? What impelled dead=20
>matter towards life? Was it just accidental? At one time the argument=20
>was that first life was a _simple_ cell.
>Furthermore, according to what we find in the fossil record is primarily=
=20
>gaps.


Before you again ask mindless "why" questions, try to identify the
difference between "dead" and "live". =20

=20
>> And then you demand others prove your baseless claims false, while you
>> baselessly handwave away evidence for evolution via unguided natural
>> processes.  That's one way to justify spamming mindless PRATTs while
>> making zero effort to identify either positive evidence for ID or
>> negative evidence against unguided evolution.
>>=20
>> Once again, unguided evolution explains why there are no Cambrian
>> rabbits.  Identify what is ID's explanation for that lack, or show
>> once again you have no idea what you're talking about.  Pick your
>> poison.

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To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge