Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Casanova Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Animated Series Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 10:09:58 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 84 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <977pviltbihuce6loh8uh88hldcsuonjb8@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="31181"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:EZ4vcpjbZugcq0GJ5N/YKept050= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id E0C8122976C; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:06:22 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B836A229758 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:06:20 -0400 (EDT) id 5BAEF7D122; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 17:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD207D009 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 17:10:02 +0000 (UTC) id 8EA2BDC01BA; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 18:10:00 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/QbJ2VulS78IR5szfQhKO330F++OBSLQIlDPRDqnvM5id8LrsKELag Bytes: 4706 On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:27:19 GMT, the following appeared in talk.origins, posted by someone37 : >In reply to "Bob Casanova" who wrote the following: > >> On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 08:39:33 +0000, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus* >> : >> >> > someone37 wrote: >> > > >> > [snip] >> > > >> > > The reason is that any computation can be done with an arrangement of NAND >> > > gates (they are functionally complete) is because a claim that it could >> > > would be >> > > tantamount to suggesting that NAND gates could only be arranged in a >> > > certain way >> > > if the reality was one in which things experienced. >> > > >> > Aha, NAND gates. Seems the past 36 incarnations of “someone” were >> > insufficient to the task so the resurrection ship spawned another. Here we >> > go again… >> > >> I knew he (she? it?) sounded familiar. And if anything even >> more incoherent than previously. >> > >> -- >> >> Bob C. >> >> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, >> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not >> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" >> >> - Isaac Asimov > >Bob C., mentions a minor argument > No, I did not; I mentioned your incoherence during your prior appearance, which IIRC I noted at the time. You have yet to formulate a coherent argument. > >, which explained why whether any of reality is >experienced or not is not computable. Which could be thought to be an issue for >a physicalist belief in which we are evolved biological machines whose brains >are running some type of neural network computation (because we can tell that at >least part of reality is experiencing, which isn't computable). Noticeably Bob >C., didn't offer any flaw in the argument > There was no argument involving you in which I was also involved. Have you always been delusional? > >, but I am grateful for him having >looked at the video, and brought up an argument from it. Though the main issues >raised in that particular video from the series were the Influence Issue, and >the Fine Tuning of the Experience Issue, which he didn't mention. > >For those that would be interested in just diving into a specific part of the >series to understand what is being referred to, you could just follow this link >(which skips the first 7 minutes of 4.Belief): https://vimeo.com/921153137#t=7m > >There are some comebacks to "4. Belief" covered in the next one in the series, >"5. Issues with belief?". >Series link:https://vimeo.com/showcase/the-lottery-issue > > > > > > >Wish you all well, and as a wise man might say: > "Follow the loving selfless path". > >https://vimeo.com/showcase/the-lottery-issue -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov