Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Wistar Symposium "Mathematical Challenge to Neo-Darwinism". Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 13:19:39 +0200 Organization: De Ster Lines: 37 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <1qv3e5a.1l6ewhv24r3kpN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> References: <5ogn5j5d7953b3s7u7gqd7v7hem2vmmao8@4ax.com> <91ff0b88-5c37-47db-8132-b7785b7fa1a4@gmail.com> <75ee897a0ba821c233f058c22175c103@www.novabbs.com> <1qune9t.rvwe13eqa9etN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <04aebc33e4d46e95f8965c79461c7f92@www.novabbs.com> Reply-To: jjlax32@xs4all.nl (J. J. Lodder) Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="27225"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.5 (ea919cf118) (Mac OS 10.12.6) To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Vv72FsKJxegbKAM9HlDbMf52fMc= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id A915E229870; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 07:19:32 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C84E22986E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 07:19:30 -0400 (EDT) id 982925DC6C; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 11:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 777A85DC4B for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 11:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32E565F72C for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 11:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/32E565F72C; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=de-ster.demon.nl Authentication-Results: name; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=eternal-september.org id DD225DC01A9; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 13:19:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 13:19:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19ScDvG4n90K9SGczQfgTMln7eFA8KS6aFDu66f63ZEDA== HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3831 LDagget wrote: > J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > LDagget wrote: > > >> Chris Thompson wrote: > >> > >> > Ron Dean wrote: > >> >> erik simpson wrote: > >> > >> >> So, deleterious change is not disorder? > >> > >> > How does removing glutamic acid from a particular sequence and > >> > replacing > >> > > >> > it with valine increase entropy? Show your math, please. > >> > >> > Chris > >> > >> I want to note how much I miss Paul Gans and other thermodynamics > >> experts. > > > Past expertise is always better than present one, eh? > > > Jan > > Oh I realize that a number of people here have expertise in > thermodynamics, but it used to go deeper. Further, it included some with > excellent skills in communication, the sort that sometimes arises from > decades of teaching both freshman classes and graduate level classes. You might have remembered that I did participate in those discussions, long long ago, before I more or less gave up on t.o. Jan