Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jan Panteltje Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: power shortages Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2024 05:42:12 GMT Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 05:42:13 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="1188933"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (Linux-5.15.32-v7l+) Cancel-Lock: sha1:AQOUbWXzSHF2R3JxTdMsxlgNIg8= X-User-ID: eJwNyskBwCAMA7CVmsNxGCdAvf8Ird5ClNVhFiohyLbTc8ODV90mhSMDT4kDifbisMrXGxNzoUF757rnL80PN2YU7A== X-Newsreader-location: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (c) 'LIGHTSPEED' off line news reader for the Linux platform NewsFleX homepage: http://www.panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/ and ftp download ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/ Bytes: 4966 Lines: 79 On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 08:13:42 -0800) it happened John Larkin wrote in : >On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 16:01:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje >wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin >> wrote in : >> >>>On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman >>>> wrote in : >>>> >>>>>On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> wrote in : >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants. >>>>>> They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ?? >>>>> >>>>>These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse >>>>>design? Big installations that need ten years to build? >>>>> >>>>>I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of >>>>>small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds, >>>>>Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported >>>>>where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than >>>>>years. >>>> >>>>Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere, >>>>no risk of flooding then :-) >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station >>>>OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense. >>> >>>Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally, >>>quickly, where and when needed. >>> >>>The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres >>>for an SMR. >> >>The more the harder security is. >>Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there. >>It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages. >> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html >> >>It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working. >>One for in each car? > >So far, fusion doesn't look like it will work in anything smaller than >a star. I am not sure, I have written here many times: "If you cannot do it with those tiny particles on the desktop, then you cannot do it with a machine the size of the universe" Example, look up Farnsworth fusor: https://www.tue.nl/faculteit-technische-natuurkunde/onderzoek/onderzoeksgroepen/science-and-technology-of-nuclear-fusion-fusion/fusion-facilities/fusor build one yourself: https://www.instructables.com/How-to-Build-a-Fusion-Reactor-and-Become-Part-of-t/ Highschool kids have done it too. Fusion is not the problem, it is the break-even that needs to be improved factor 10^6 too low for that Farnsworth fusor IIRC. But who knows, I do see opportunities here to increase it many have worked on that, I wanted to build one but its low efficiency, radiation, lack of space I have, kept me. >Cars work fine on gasoline, or almost even on batteries. It doesn't >make sense for a 100lb person to move 3 tons of steel with them to the >drugstore, but market forces will fix that. Yes..