Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!panix!.POSTED.panix2.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.fandom Subject: Re: Babel Date: 27 Mar 2024 23:03:09 -0000 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: Injection-Info: reader1.panix.com; posting-host="panix2.panix.com:166.84.1.2"; logging-data="16804"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@panix.com" Bytes: 1888 Keith F. Lynch wrote: >Tim Illingworth wrote: >> Cryptoengineer wrote: >>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains. Russia has >>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not. > >> December 1814 not count? > >I think you mean August of that year. More recently there was an >invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863. 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol building anyway. The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on whether you define the invaders as US citizens or not. Since the war was about who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to define them as rebellious citizens. My Confederate-supporting high school history teacher would not do so, however. >Some might also count January 2021. Is it an invasion of all >participants were US citizens? One person there was carrying the >flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was probably >just confused. Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness doesn't. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."