Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: When Richard calls people liars he lies Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 08:23:58 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 15:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ad5aa88e540ea762834522b410d9de6a"; logging-data="2195316"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Lmznx/r5uOX6tLTO+INWV" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:aNkziiD3loB0SAN58KeRQQqhUJs= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2943 On 6/7/2024 12:32 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-06-06 14:56:28 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 6/6/2024 9:42 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-06-06 14:27:41 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> The common meaning of the term [lie] is >>>> >>>> noun >>>> (1) a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; >>>> an intentional untruth. >>>> >>>> verb (used without object) >>>> (1) to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with >>>> intent to deceive. Synonyms: fib, prevaricate >>>> >>>> When Richard calls people liars and does not mean they have any >>>> intent to deceive this makes Richard a liar because Richard knows >>>> that people will be lead to believe that he is using the common >>>> definition that requires an intent to deceive. >>>> >>>> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lie >>> >>> In some places the subject line may be regareded aa a crime unless >>> its author can present an acceptable proof of it. >>> >>> It is often regarded as a bad manner to put names of people >>> to the subject line. >>> >>> According to Wiktionary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lie#Etymology_2 >>> a possible meaning is 'To be mistaken or unintentionally spread false >>> information'. >>> >> >> Richard intends for people to get the false impression thus Richard >> lies with intent to deceive. > > In some (but not all) paĺacess saying that is a crime unless you can > prove your words in a way that is accepted by a judge (or whatever > the local laws happen to require). > > Anyway, moral and legal issues are of topic in comp.theory. > When anyone defames me or my work I must counter this defamation in the place where it occurred. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer