Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 19:30:24 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 16 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <4fch1jpp5qtolug4bj158sl9tvn8h7htp9@4ax.com> <%AzVN.19359$8tL7.11884@fx09.iad> <3n8m2jtvhd0nahms2un4i2gjbt1t6bpbk2@4ax.com> Reply-To: {$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="76595"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Mgg8/UVPQbkxzTp6DAgiZZbOkWo= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id C75CA229786; Wed, 08 May 2024 14:30:24 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E82229767 for ; Wed, 08 May 2024 14:30:22 -0400 (EDT) id A310B5DC2C; Wed, 8 May 2024 18:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81C4A5DC29 for ; Wed, 8 May 2024 18:30:26 +0000 (UTC) id 468CCDC01A9; Wed, 8 May 2024 20:30:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 20:30:24 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+bFyVOQtghI1Pk50dMrKmTrb6hgaPZ09gfR5yFoZuKJoZ/bW9+t5amCSdEFUyKDlnifD/dbhox1g== Bytes: 3074 On 07/05/2024 01:31, Vincent Maycock wrote: >>> So it didn't turn out that well for him. Why? >>> >> Because of free will. Had we been born robots with out a will or >> thinking mind our lives totally controlled by unwavering instinct, would >> this have been better? Is there another option? > Yes, in fact there is. Give people their freedom of choice but don't > be so extremist about it that you allow people to hurt others -- it's > the foundation of the criminal justice system, in fact. A question to ask, though perhaps not in this precise context, is "is there free will in heaven? is there evil in heaven?". -- alias Ernest Major