Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Justisaur Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: NPC classes Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 14:43:03 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2024 21:43:06 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d42dc8d1fcc6fa4d8d4bf7468bd5729d"; logging-data="3632834"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18yjC8GKDrp9ikJ0ruIBRxfJwjFh9NBhhY=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:zcMOfno/IwC8GDJ1TGrK2bdiHTs= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2952 On 4/2/2024 1:58 AM, Kyonshi wrote: > I recently was rethinking the use of NPC classes in my (mostly > OSR-style) games. Previously I had dismissed them as unsuccessful > attempts at making overpowered PC classes. But reading them "as written" > they make much more sense as human boss monsters in a lot of cases. > > I specifically mean stuff like e.g. Lew Pulsipher's Necromancer class, > which is a terrible class for players (it demands human sacrifices of > increasing specificity to advance), but does actually make more sense > when used as a maybe recurring human antagonist who keeps getting > stronger as over the course of a PCs career. > > I also looked at the Witch class from Dragon magazine but find that one > oddly lacking. > > What are your preferred NPC classes, if any? I never used any in AD&D. Pretty much whatever's fair for the PCs is fair for the NPCs as well and vice versa. I do think I remember letting someone use the Archer one time, but that didn't turn out well, because of course it was the resident rules-lawyer/power-gamer. I only even let any of the UA classes be used one time, not so much because Barbarian and Cavalier were overpowered, but because they were written in such a way that they didn't work well with the normal makeup of a party (Barbarians hating magic users and cavaliers having to Leroy Jenkins all threats.) The races I didn't like as they were obviously power creep. I did use the 3e NPC classes a few times for NPCs, but it was rare and not particularly memorable. Those NPC classes were far less dangerous than a normal PC of the same level though. 5e NPC monsters are kind of like/hate. I like that they're easier to handle than full characters, hate that we have to use pared down versions of PCs because PCs are too complicated. -- -Justisaur ø-ø (\_/)\ `-'\ `--.___, ¶¬'\( ,_.-' \\ ^'