Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Dimensional Traveler Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.fandom Subject: Re: Babel Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 00:44:49 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9aeffeffef84a5a78e8c6e4b104db2b7"; logging-data="3332019"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+gMAU4taQhLDlhsxlA6vlZ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:29J7qakL9zdVJOzg60JGiXTZj/g= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2468 On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > Keith F. Lynch wrote: >> Tim Illingworth wrote: >>> Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains. Russia has >>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not. >> >>> December 1814 not count? >> >> I think you mean August of that year. More recently there was an >> invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863. > > 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol building > anyway. > > The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on whether > you define the invaders as US citizens or not. Since the war was about > who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to define > them as rebellious citizens. My Confederate-supporting high school history > teacher would not do so, however. > >> Some might also count January 2021. Is it an invasion of all >> participants were US citizens? One person there was carrying the >> flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was probably >> just confused. > > Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness doesn't. Agreed, insurrection is not invasion. -- I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky dirty old man.