Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:17:08 +0000 Subject: Re: The failure of the unified field theory means general relativity fails. Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <693b1f71c994c268d60983eb81fc6aaa@www.novabbs.com> <17db55a7e5709ab7$1933$480477$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <9283a49bcc091b1f621ebd566d650a38@www.novabbs.com> From: Ross Finlayson Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 07:17:23 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 61 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-6hLeCsCs/HMTq8yn7en4efl5CE2NhVmQRMFKA7ooOHIPcgcuyMXaMlx26N8wju669dGEiuvAWkrQHSd!p/4VAO6wkrAoLFHrj6dYbkVI7l4BsxTduNwzA6I0lEH14RVVm1z7DUlt6ePoOH8D2JJisiOF89am!4w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3914 On 06/22/2024 09:13 PM, Tom Roberts wrote: > On 6/22/24 9:54 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: >> Paul Anderson, thanks for the pdf. Your formula employs the >> electromagnetic assumption that gravity moves at the speed of light. > > You got this backwards. In GR, changes in gravity propagate at the local > symmetry speed, given by SPECIAL Relativity. It "just so happens" [#] > that electromagnetic waves travel at this same speed in vacuum. It is > merely an historical anomaly that it is called "the speed of light", due > to the round-about way Einstein first described relativity in 1905 -- > the spacetime symmetry is MUCH more fundamental and important. > > [#] This is neither happenstance nor accident.... > > BTW modern derivations of SR don't use electromagnetism at all. > >> Your formula (1) has c^2 and it is clearly not 1^2, and is in m/s, >> contrary to Lodder. > > Nope. YOU have imposed specific units onto the formula/equation. The > equation itself does not impose any particular units on its variables > and constants [@], it merely requires that they be self-consistent. > > [@] There are many systems of units in common use. You > seem to think there is only one. > >> Relativity still thinks gravity is electromagnetism even after the >> unified field theory failed. > > Making stuff up and pretending it is true is USELESS. Grow up! > > Tom Roberts Reading about usual retarded and non-classical advanced potentials, or Wheeler-Feynman and about Feynman saying "hey there's an invariance or symmetry if you will here that does indicate a sort of standing tension where electromagnetic waves live", gets into that much like gravity, this sort of infinite-advanced-standing-wave concept that has been arrived at by forefront physicists, requires a super-classical approach, first mathematically, because without the mathematics of these kinds things, there's no language thus no physics of these kinds things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%E2%80%93Feynman_absorber_theory "The theory postulates no independent electromagnetic field." "Wheeler and Feynman postulate the "universe" of all other electrons as an absorber of radiation ...." I.e., whatever points from zero to one, there's its inverse, space inversion. Then, the arrow of time is just fine, only that there's some sort of total field theory, about both gravity, and, the propagation of EM waves.