Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 22:06:51 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 04:06:52 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="135701bad7255964217cc25f17b69a9f"; logging-data="3119200"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18O+t1y+5GxHqaUIB4utt5J" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:3Vt2xZs69bDHp8ZcccEgP1ZxG0o= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4777 On 6/20/24 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , FPP > wrote: > >> On 6/19/24 9:10 PM, shawn wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:28:26 -0700, BTR1701 wrote: >>> >>>> In article , >>>> moviePig wrote: > >>>>> Machine gun: >>>>> >>>>> "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily >>>>> restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual >>>>> reloading, by a single function of the trigger." >>>>> >>>>> Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify... >>>> >>>> Because with the bump stock, it's only firing one shot per pull of the >>>> trigger. The trigger is just being pulled repeatedly really fast as a >>>> result of rebounding recoil caused by the bump stock. The bumper rocks >>>> the rifle back and forth against the shooter's trigger finger, causing a >>>> separate trigger pull each time. The statute you quoted above clearly >>>> says "by a SINGLE function of the trigger". If you shoot 100 rounds with >>>> a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a single >>>> function of the trigger. >>> >>> Yes, you are definitely technically correct. (The best kind.) That >>> said you can see why people consider the bump stock to be the >>> equivalent of turning a weapon into an equal to a machine gun. It >>> isn't a machine gun but it ends throwing lead down field much like >>> one. I think eventually the law will be updated to include bump stocks >>> but who knows how long that will take. As no one who was involved in >>> writing the original act likely foresaw the possibility of a bump >>> stock. >>> >> Both still require the same action. A single trigger pull, with >> constant pressure. > > Which isn't the standard under the law. The law's standard is a "single > function of the trigger". As I said above, if you shoot 100 rounds with > a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a single > function of the trigger. > > A semi-auto rifle physically can't fire more than one round with a > single function of the trigger. It's impossible for a semi-auto rifle to > meet the definition of "machine gun" under the NFA. > You keep glossing over the fact that both machine guns and bump stocks require the same action. Why? Both require a single trigger pull followed by constant pressure. The only difference is in the mechanics. The intent of the law was to prevent people from possessing a weapon that could spray a great number of bullets indiscriminately. -- On May 30, 2024 Donald J. Trump was unanimously convicted on 34 felony counts in New York City... so I took this picture in my side yard. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0 "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0