Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 09:24:17 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 86 Message-ID: References: <17d91fbd5fad865f$338100$533214$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> <17d97111755ab6ae$133791$675878$4ed50460@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8c297682e1b5a8a64069ab9d5fe6da9b"; logging-data="1445499"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19fMD6y9W5nJ8iAlF7DWBsQ" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:E07yLOJIYsqQtPivRT+aU3lmFJ4= In-Reply-To: <17d97111755ab6ae$133791$675878$4ed50460@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 5558 On 6/16/24 5:10 AM, trotsky wrote: > On 6/15/24 10:17 PM, moviePig wrote: >> On 6/15/2024 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>   trotsky wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote: >>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote: >>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>   From wiki: >>>>>> >>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of >>>>>> categories >>>>>> of regulated firearms. These weapons are collectively known as NFA >>>>>> firearms and include the following: >>>>>> >>>>>> Machine guns >>>>>>       "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be >>>>>> readily >>>>>> restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual >>>>>> reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also >>>>>> include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed >>>>>> and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed >>>>>> and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and >>>>>> any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if >>>>>> such parts are in the possession or under the control of a >>>>>> person."[10] >>>>> >>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose intent is >>>>> patently obvious.  Not exactly a triumph of sanity. >>>> >>>> >>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far more >>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law >>> >>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again! >>> >>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as you can be >>> yet again. >>> >>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of >>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page statutes we >>> have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of administrative >>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and >>> near-hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a piece >>> of software. >>> >>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's "spirit", then >>> none of that would be necessary. >>> >>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons to >>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself, I'd climb >>> your ego and jump to your IQ. >> >> Unfortunately, your "letter of the law" is a false god, a pipe dream. >> Because any word's meaning invariably depends on one or more *other* >> words, and so on ...you eventually need someone to "know" (i.e., to >> *interpret*) whatever basic thing someone else has tried to say. > > > You bring up an important distinction. "Murder is illegal." That's one > you can go by the "letter of the law."  Murder is clearly defined, and > the consequences of illegality are defined too.  "A bump stock allows a > semi-automatic rifle to fire as if it were a machine gun" certainly is > open to interpretation, and that's what SCOTUS is around for.  They are > the ultimate arbiters of the interpretation.  As ever, the devil's in > the details, and going further, when you have the most corrupt man in > the history of the Supreme Court writing decision odds are the American > people are getting screwed.  And most certainly they have been. > Maybe if we all chipped in a few bucks, Clarenzabell and Sammy Flagflyer would change their votes. -- On May 30, 2024 Donald J. Trump was unanimously convicted on 34 felony counts in New York City... so I took this picture in my side yard. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0 "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0