Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:48:52 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 208 Message-ID: References: <17d91fbd5fad865f$338100$533214$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 17:48:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f23c1197f29cc8bb2dcb22792dd7e186"; logging-data="3402530"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1990SHbB8UPUuEIXJ57jpJU2eONpMk9TaA=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:X4Ak49Ov/5oT0RFMqMl/lT1nLew= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 11753 On 6/21/2024 1:17 AM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , > moviePig wrote: > >> On 6/20/2024 9:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , FPP >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/19/24 7:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article , >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/2024 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , FPP >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trotsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From wiki: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Machine guns: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusively, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a person."[10] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of sanity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be yet again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administrative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and near- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of software. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "spirit", >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then none of that would be necessary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climb your ego and jump to your IQ. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully automatic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate trigger pull >>>>>>>>>>>>> occurs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to fire >>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>> rounds. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is >>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly >>>>>>>>>>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly see the >>>>>>>>>>> bump >>>>>>>>>>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the >>>>>>>>>>> trigger >>>>>>>>>>> after every round. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not as fast as >>>>>>>>> full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that works more >>>>>>>>> efficiently. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate "machine >>>>>>>>> gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of fire is >>>>>>>>> actually irrelevant to the issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, we've already established that a determined judiciary can do an >>>>>>>> end-run around even the clearest legislative intent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They didn't end-run anything. They only reiterated-- since our >>>>>>> government seems to have lost its way and needs a reminder-- that >>>>>>> Congress is the only body granted the authority by the Constitution to >>>>>>> legislate in this country, not administrative agencies like BATF, and >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> Congress wants to change the definition of "machine gun" to incorporate >>>>>>> bump stocks into it, it can do so at any time. However, BATF has no >>>>>>> authority to do it for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Machine gun: >>>>>> >>>>>> "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be >>>>>> readily >>>>>> restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual >>>>>> reloading, by a single function of the trigger." >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify... >>>>> >>>>> Because with the bump stock, it's only firing one shot per pull of the >>>>> trigger. The trigger is just being pulled repeatedly really fast as a >>>>> result of rebounding recoil caused by the bump stock. The bumper rocks >>>>> the rifle back and forth against the shooter's trigger finger, causing a >>>>> separate trigger pull each time. The statute you quoted above clearly ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========