Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jos Boersema Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish Subject: Shocking new Torah law breaking, calling itself "Open Orthodox" Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 07:46:40 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 112 Message-ID: Injection-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 09:46:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4aa0dc8a28bf2c577ce8545acfd2b4b0"; logging-data="269635"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18QZd3UVDHvAY7pG7ozr0tR" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TGnJXXbERW24TGyKOwVbCLmtF9I= Bytes: 7735 title: Martin Luther King Day at the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale (OO's flagship synagogue) source: Why Open Orthodoxy Is Not Orthodox link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qNyV-Se4jg Wasn't it about understanding the law, and hearing about history ? "Whore ship" what ? Dancing before their meaningless idols is what they mean. They apparently have an idolator to Jeebus the Bastard leading them. Jeebus the Bastard being idolized in a Synagogue. However, the Jewish people all caused it themselves. They are themselves the ones who started it, with Hillel the Elder, the lawless snake with the friendly face, destroying the Torah and the rights of the poor. You have created this whole system around Jeebus the Bastard, in more than one way. It is your own corruption staring back at you, just colored slightly different so that you know it is not you. It is others behaving like you. This helps you see the truth of it, I guess ? Just like Jeebus the Bastard is fake, so is Hillel the Elder a fake. title: Novominsker Rebbe Denounces HIR for Wishing "Mazel Tov" Upon Same-Sex Engagement source: Why Open Orthodoxy Is Not Orthodox link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unr5cZiQLzU Reply ... Yes, but the same is true for you so-called Orthodox. It is interesting how there is always seeminghly cute and friendly arguments given, for why you should become bad, just as the snak in the garden of Eden talking to Eve. Just a friendly advice, they where to become gods. Steal the apple, it's fine. Thieving is lying is war, and apparently the misery which resulted is still going on. You did the same with Hillel the Elder, who supposedly was another friendly snake. You liked him, because he was so friendly. He said: let's get rid of the Torah debt nullification in the 7th year (Shmittah), with the _prosbul_ so that the rich will lend again to the poor, and call it _beautiful._ This is why you are not Orthodox, also the so-called Ultra-Orthodox, no matter how long your peyot, but you are already yourselves reformers of the Torah, just like this so-called "Open Orthodox" group mentioned in the video, unless you reject traitors like *Hillel the Elder* with his _prosbul,_ and *Maimonides* / *Rambam* with his _heter iska._ Perhaps this is why you get cursed with more and more corruption from within. There is nothing friendly about denying the poor their debt nullification and neglecting to punish the rich to lend to the poor, even shortly before the Shmittah. It hurts them, for obvious reasons. It is also theft, just like the _soft fruit_ was stolen by Eve from Hashem. This money lended to the poor, becomes owned by Hashem so to say, when the Shmittah starts and the conditions for nullification have been met (the poor person cannot reasonably pay back, and is Jewish, is my guess are those conditions). It is stealing, all over again. It rips the Nation apart into strife, the rich become ever richer, the poor become their slaves. It is not difficult to see the truth in these Torah laws. Similarly with the gay problem. Marriage is to have children, and give them the safety of having both a dedicated mother and father. Two guys in a house, is just two guys in a house, nothing more. If they lived without "laying with a man as with a woman", it would just be like two miners sleeping in the mine baracks, or soldiers needing a short rest under a tree. They make it into something bad by being addicted to certain activities. I also believe that this homosexual behavior creates a fear in people not so afflicted, that they are dealing with afflicted people when they want to make friends, and this creates a barrier to making friends. There is also the problem that men should become friendly and peaceful, but homosexuals make their behavior female, and in the confusion they create, men find themselves pushed into the opposite and start displaying overly monkey like rough behavior to make sure nobody beliefs they are afflicted with this homosexuality psychological problem / addiction. This can cause a macho culture to come about, as a reaction to the homosexual men their misplaced female like behavior. The macho culture is one of violence and can even lead to war. The homosexuals themselves deny themselves the best part of life, which is to have a family, and in that sense they hurt themselves the most, although you could argue that this is their own problem. Really though, I think the whole thing is one big distraction, a wedge issue created so that people stop caring about Government corruption and war. Also in that sense, the homosexuals are a tool for the super rich criminals. There are also likely goals of further breaking up the family and the natural bonds within the family, so that the criminals of money can create different ways of living where people care less about each other (not more, but less), for example by creating children and then giving them to an homosexual couple, being denied either their real mother or father by design rather than unhappy accident. An accident is an accident, but by design it becomes a misdeed. All this weakens the bonds of care between the people, more misery and _less love_ rather than more, so that the criminals of power may inject their own dictatorial designs upon the people with greater ease. Since you yourselves already rejected the Torah by going along with Hillel the Elder, therefore Jeebus the Bastard becomes your messiah, in a proverbial sense: the lawless one, who pretends to be friendly. Now you just see more and more corruption, because you didn't yourselves hold the line. You yourselves already broke down the standing of the Torah with your _prosbul,_ after that who is to stop others to do the same ? You need to do Teshuvah back to the Torah: break with Hillel, break with Rambam (and his Loshon Hara - bad speech, gossip - against moshiach blaming him to be tarrying), demand the Jubilee on land where possible, overthrow the Lamp of Helena Sun disk idolatry at the 2nd Temple, and also forbid working on the Shabbos evening because it is a whole day of rest and not a half day of rest. This is some of your own corruptions over time, there may be more. You are also idolatrous toward your so-called sages and rebbes, when you should have known better. The Torah is not in heaven, it is clear, you can understand it, it is a written law. If you continue to be obstinate with the Torah (!), the curses will likely come into effect again: 7 times every time. You have been warned in advance, and shown a way out. Deal with your hard neck, and stop spreading the corruption of Hillel the Elder and Rambam. -- Economic & political ideology, worked out into Constitutional models, with a multi-facetted implementation plan. http://market.socialism.nl