Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 22:16:47 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 136 Message-ID: References: <17d91fbd5fad865f$338100$533214$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 04:16:47 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="135701bad7255964217cc25f17b69a9f"; logging-data="3123495"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+X8zvByrzcTrYUcV6DxDFv" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:q1H6uUh7qwGcpR9cj3Fm8YTI1sc= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 8188 On 6/20/24 10:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , FPP > wrote: > >> On 6/19/24 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , >>> moviePig wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/18/2024 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article , >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article , FPP >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>>>>>> trotsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934 >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From wiki: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are collectively >>>>>>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Machine guns: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a person."[10] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose >>>>>>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of sanity. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far more >>>>>>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as you >>>>>>>>>>> can be yet again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of >>>>>>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page statutes >>>>>>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of administrative >>>>>>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and near- >>>>>>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a >>>>>>>>>>> piece of software. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's "spirit", >>>>>>>>>>> then none of that would be necessary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons to >>>>>>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself, I'd >>>>>>>>>>> climb your ego and jump to your IQ. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully automatic machine >>>>>>>>>> gun? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate trigger pull >>>>>>>>> occurs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to fire multiple >>>>>>>>> rounds. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is significantly >>>>>>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly see the bump >>>>>>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the trigger >>>>>>> after every round. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire. >>>>> >>>>> The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not as fast as >>>>> full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that works more >>>>> efficiently. >>>>> >>>>> Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate "machine >>>>> gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of fire is >>>>> actually irrelevant to the issue. >>>> >>>> Yes, we've already established that a determined judiciary can do an >>>> end-run around even the clearest legislative intent. >>> >>> They didn't end-run anything. They only reiterated-- since our >>> government seems to have lost its way and needs a reminder-- that >>> Congress is the only body granted the authority by the Constitution to >>> legislate in this country, not administrative agencies like BATF, and if >>> Congress wants to change the definition of "machine gun" to incorporate >>> bump stocks into it, it can do so at any time. However, BATF has no >>> authority to do it for them. >>> >> Congress did legislate. The intent of the law was pretty clear. >> Honest people would admit that... so, of course, you klowns don't. > > The intent is irrelevant. It's also not even discoverable. Congress is > made up of 600+ different people, all of whom have different intents > when voting for legislation. To say any given law has only one intent is > nonsensical.) > > What Congress actually wrote is what's determinative. > Sez you, or the $4,000,000 million dollar man? -- On May 30, 2024 Donald J. Trump was unanimously convicted on 34 felony counts in New York City... so I took this picture in my side yard. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0 "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0