Path: ...!feed.opticnetworks.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Dimiter_Popoff Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Chinese semiconductors Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:09:42 +0300 Organization: TGI Lines: 150 Message-ID: References: <81l57j17n3u1o76dkoirjjulpo76291cf6@4ax.com> <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com> <3qg67jpedsrertumhhg9oeea2n61ac1ct8@4ax.com> Reply-To: dp@tgi-sci.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 15:09:43 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="976114f6fe67ac6e29882b89b79bf4de"; logging-data="3347395"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18XEqdxA8DIkqVTd174Pi4F" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FZjMNdXtDWdRNsanbyZHE1JsRmo= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 8642 On 6/21/2024 15:11, Jan Panteltje wrote: > On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff > wrote in : > >> On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese- >>>> semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>> plications >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good grief. Crazy numbers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sounds like a normal ratio. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in >>>>>>> one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>>>> real-estate scam. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not see it that way. >>>>>> Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space, >>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds. >>>>> >>>>> Airbus planes have killed people too. >>>>> >>>>> The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn >>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>>> the same US, >>>>>> worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from >>>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes >>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a >>>>>> third world country, >>>>>> a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it. >>>>>> An IQ that gete lower and lower... >>>>>> dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>>> electronics. >>>>>>> The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make >>>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>>>>> original ideas, and fail. >>>>>> >>>>>> The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist. >>>>>> West coast was always part of China :-) >>>>>> More info in 'planets of the apes' >>>>>> >>>>>> US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly... >>>>>> Even better have them make products that benefit people. >>>>>> That will save lives worldwide covid makers!! >>>>>> >>>>>> US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that... >>>>>> >>>>>> Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club, >>>>>> Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> How are your Russian lessons coming along? >>>> >>>> Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though. >>> >>> We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is >>> millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too. >>> >> >> Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions >> are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had >> all Europe must have been evaluated etc. >> Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the >> defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US >> can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly >> affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts >> to get involved in. >> As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to >> its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century >> by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that >> kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a >> stupid person at all. > > Russia has a different history > After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik) > US wanted that too. took them years.. > Same for MIR space station, now ISS > US looks dead to me in space, > was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what > they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule.. > No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued.. > Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically > Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-). > Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools. > And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews > that are worse than Hitler it seems. > You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that > Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell). > And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted. > Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else. > What a fucking mafia US is. > NATO is a US weapon sales club... > Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO. > He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed. > NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some. > Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era. > Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software, > the list is endless. > I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam. > Different finance systems in use. > US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt.. > it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems. > > A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow.. > Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China. > I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now. > > Oh please.