Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 16:10:17 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 88 Message-ID: References: <17d91fbd5fad865f$338100$533214$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> <17d970d1b97e1724$133790$675878$4ed50460@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 22:10:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="eb8ebb2907e68765c2302819dd66ac12"; logging-data="233429"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Wz3o5x9znYxLdZbuua36Hl7Nb/HxXv3U=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:pCCgud55GYvBGNJVhd5B/+Gs2e0= In-Reply-To: <17d970d1b97e1724$133790$675878$4ed50460@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 5740 On 6/16/2024 5:06 AM, trotsky wrote: > On 6/15/24 7:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> In article <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>, >>   trotsky wrote: >> >>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote: >>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote: >>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>   From wiki: >>>>> >>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of categories >>>>> of regulated firearms. These weapons are collectively known as NFA >>>>> firearms and include the following: >>>>> >>>>> Machine guns >>>>>       "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be >>>>> readily >>>>> restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual >>>>> reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also >>>>> include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed >>>>> and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed >>>>> and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and >>>>> any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if >>>>> such parts are in the possession or under the control of a >>>>> person."[10] >>>> >>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose intent is >>>> patently obvious.  Not exactly a triumph of sanity. >>> >>> >>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far more >>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law >> >> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again! >> >> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as you can be >> yet again. >> >> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of >> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page statutes we >> have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of administrative >> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and >> near-hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a piece >> of software. >> >> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's "spirit", then >> none of that would be necessary. >> >> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons to >> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself, I'd climb >> your ego and jump to your IQ. > > > I'm going to cut you some slack here Twat.  Ordinarily I would respond > with you being a dickless stupid white supremacist bastard, but instead > I'm going to respond what I just posted to the group, Harvard Law > professor and Constitutional Scholar Laurence Tribe's tweet on the subject: > > > The 1934 Firearms Act bans civilian ownership of a “machine gun,” > defined as a weapon that can fire “automatically more than one shot, > without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” 26 U. S. > C. §5845(b). A semi-automatic weapon requires the shooter to pull the > trigger after each shot, but a weapon modified with a bump stock does > not. “As long as the shooter keeps his trigger finger on the finger rest > and maintains constant forward pressure on the rifle’s barrel or front > grip, the weapon will fire continuously.” See 83 Fed. Reg. 66516. > But six Justices who will soon have blood-soaked robes overrode the > ATF’s common sense conclusion that keeping pressure on your trigger > finger long enough for your gun to fire 13 times PER SECOND is a “single > function” as Congress used that term. The fact that the six were taking > aim at the administrative state and not at those whom the next crazed > shooter will kill by firing 800 rounds per minute with each pull of his > trigger finger may enable them to sleep at night, but it shouldn’t. > > > Prof. Tribe said this so well I was in awe, and that doesn't happen > much.  You can crawl back into the woodwork now unless you have some > more verbal vomit you want to share. So, with a "machine gun", you don't have to keep your finger on the trigger ...whereas, with a bump stock, if you remove your finger the gun stops firing, i.e., what we call (as it were) a "dead man's switch"...