Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.ipad Subject: Re: Apple has the worst operating system full hotfix support in the industry - Microsoft has the best Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 11:42:23 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 149 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:42:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8a028d23d248df70f03c177c1ce6834e"; logging-data="1566484"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/+lB5IuV0ADRU52Bd+Lpc/43PE6la7T60=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:L4/+jb3l8lbJgVlieCG5tmqROMg= Content-Language: en-CA In-Reply-To: Bytes: 8656 On 2024-06-18 07:42, Tom Elam wrote: > On 6/6/2024 10:13 PM, Andrew wrote: >> badgolferman wrote on Fri, 7 Jun 2024 00:58:03 -0000 (UTC) : >> >>>> Apple has the worst (by far) bugfix support in the entire industry. >>>> >>>>   *Apple promises at least 5 years of iPhone security updates, but >>>> Samsung and Google offer longer support for Android updates* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nobody on the adult phone newsgroups will be shocked, but since the >>>> child-like phone newsgroups never believe facts, lots of references are >>>> included below because they always say they hate any given authors. >>>> >>>> Also note that Google updates over two dozen core modules every >>>> month for >>>> the billions of Android 10+ phones that are on the Internet - which >>>> has no >>>> end of life stated - so we can assume (for now) that will happen >>>> forever. >>>>    "Google System updates are fully automated. Originally referred to >>>>     as Project Mainline, these monthly updates fix bugs discovered in >>>>     various core OS components like device connectivity, location >>>> services, >>>>     media services, Emergency alerts, and others." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Meanwhile, Apple has never fully supported more than a single release. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Apple's iOS monolith didn't even have the concept of a "hotfix" >>>> until recently. >>>>   >>>> >>>> Which is partly why Apple iPhones are the most exploited in history. >>>>   >>>> >>>> The other reason Apple devices have twice the zero day holes is Apple's >>>> hotfix support is actually the worst (by far) in the entire industry. >>>>   >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And, more to the point of the news reported today, Apple will only >>>> commit >>>> to "at least" five years of full support for any of their iPhone >>>> models. >>>>   *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones* >>>>          *and it's less than Samsung and Google* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And, get this: Apple only did so because the UK forced them to do it! >>>>   *Apple Commits to at Least Five Years of iPhone Security Updates* >>>>   "Apple has revealed its commitment to a minimum of five years of >>>>    iPhone security software updates from the date a device is >>>>    launched, thanks to a new legal requirement in the United Kingdom" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Further references below because the Apple religious zealots always >>>> say they don't like any particular author of every fact they hate. >>>>   *Apple will provide a minimum of five years of iPhone security >>>> updates* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>   *Apple Reveals Its iPhone Gets at Least 5 Years of Security Updates* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>   *Apple commits to 5 years of security updates for the iPhone, but >>>> that's not the whole story* >>>>   >>>> >>>>   *Apple says your new iPhone will get at least five years of >>>> security updates* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>   *Apple commits to minimum of five years of iPhone security >>>> software updates from the date a device is launched >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> While the Apple religious zealots will hope to dear God that Apple >>>> will fully support their devices longer than that, Apple still only >>>> fully supports a single release - such that here's are reasons iPhones >>>> always have more zero day holes and there are reasons why the iPhone >>>> is (and always was!) the most actively exploited phone in history. >>>>   *End of Life? End of Support? End of Security Updates?* >>>>   >>>> >>>> Apple never advertises it has the worst hotfix support in the industry. >>> >>> >>> In your opinion what is a reasonable amount of time for a >>> manufacturer to >>> support a device's hardware and software? When should they divert those >>> resources of money, time, engineers, research to newer devices? 5, 7, >>> 10, >>> 20 years? >> >> How long has Microsoft supported PCs which are currently on Win 10/11? >> >> It's clear that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry while >> Microsoft has the best - where we're talking full & complete bugfixes. >> >> For every single bug that the companies are aware of for all the devices. >> Apple promises (at least) five years only (and only one release at a >> time). >> Samsung/Google promise (at least) seven years (and seven releases at a >> time). >> >> But check out Microsoft support for the best in the entire industry! >> Microsoft supported many hardware configurations for almost two decades. >> >> Windows 10 shipped July 29, 2015 and it allowed for a free upgrade to >> Windows 11 for all PC hardware that met H/W requirements, so that's >> currently about 9 years plus another 10 years or so for Windows 11. >> >> Even if your PC H/W couldn't handle Windows 11, Windows 10 was a free >> upgrade from Windows 7 and 8.1 users where Windows 7 released on July 22, >> 2009 and became generally available on October 22, 2009 while Windows 8.1 >> was released to OEM hardware partners on August 27, 2013, and released >> publicly as a free upgrade through Windows Store on October 17, 2013. >> >> With Windows 10 slated to end it's monthly hotfix support on October 14, >> 2025, older PCs (that might not run Windows 11) had enjoyed more than 15 >> years of full support for all bugs that Microsoft was aware of. >> >> It's harder to say how long more capable hardware that can be upgraded to >> Windows 11 will be but fifteen or maybe even twenty years seems like a >> reasonable time period given the history of Microsoft's full support. >> >> Mind you, this is full hotfix support for all bugs Microsoft is aware of. >> And full hotfix support for all bugs Apple, Google & Samsung are aware >> of. > > Are you aware than as of next year Windows 10, the majority of Windows > currently out there, will, according to Microsoft, no longer receive > free security updates? Arlen is aware of even less than you are, Liarboy.