Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jos Boersema Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish Subject: Being (appearing) nice to everyone is not the ultimate solution. Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 17:19:51 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 147 Message-ID: Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 19:19:51 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="001268ecc56e8e572ef0109cdfbe9ad5"; logging-data="1220247"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Xl0qrijsBrPmnVWRCVwff" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7VoPc1XcLgpH3DrFM/Ot/Fvyy28= Bytes: 10313 title: The Countdown has begun - for Mashiach (Messiah) source: 7200beverly link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wndUblT4Vfs&t=1068s Amen (agreed). While it is a good idea to be nice to everyone of course, you have to watch out for the trap of condoning evil that way. If you don't have a base behavior and will to be nice to people and good, I guess you are already lost and basically an animal, perhaps a criminal. Within the sphere of good people however: was Moshe Rabbeinu nice to the guards who hurt his people ? No, he killed them. Would the advice of Schweitzer have been, just be nice and the guards will agree to you ? It sounds quite naive. It is of course a good start to be nice, but things have to be in good order _forever_ at this point already. It is too late to just start. We have to deal with extreme technological power _forever_ now, or potentially destroy ourselves. It should be about putting in the finishing touches of an already nearly perfect world, especially this is the case for Israel, who already had thousands of years of strong moral appeal to its own people. Israel should be an adult at this point, knowing very well what they are doing, being very well organized and also being extremely effective. Israel would then be the foundation for an ever lasting peace and prosperity on Earth, for everyone. Did this succeed: evidently not. So here we are in this mess, and the job still has to be completely done, even near perfectly. Just being nice to everyone is a good start, but it is not going to cut it, not even back in the day of Moshe Rabbeinu but certainly not now, unless we are all fine to go back to the Stone Age and do everything all over again (???). Was Hashem friendly and understanding at everything the Jewish people did wrong during the leaving of Egypt ? No, He decided many of the Jewish people should die, and many also died a violent death for their bad behavior. There was a man and a woman who where pierced with a spear together, presumably both to death, and then Hashem saw that he may have a loyal people who wanted to be good. They didn't talk nice and friendly to this woman and man, they didn't talk at all. How many death penalties are there in the Torah ? Quite a few. Isn't Hashem friendly and nice ? Hashem is basically the ultimate definition of nice and friendly. He kills, for an ultimate benefit. If there had been no strong impact upon the Jewish people, we might already live in hell right now, hell on Earth, a global Tyranny. Someone has to push for what is good and true. Hence I do not see this supported as an ultimate idea in the Torah (and frankly also not in reality): just be nice, all the evil will evaporate. Criminals are criminals. If you give them an easy sentence, they merely take you for a fool who should have known better, and when they stab you to death from behind, they just laugh and think to themselves: another looser taken out, I did my job well today. The Amelekites (so to say) have their own inverted morality, in which being kind - really kind, peaceful, wise and generous - is basically sinful. It is seen as weak, stupid, ridiculous, absurd and shameful, to be good. I'm sorry to say, but this scum really just has to die out, and if you contemplate all their crimes, also if not mainly against each other, then most people will probably agree. This _is_ the Torah. We can also see other examples: wasn't the snake in the Garden of Eden very nice to Eve, when he caused her to steal the soft fruit ? We also see Hillel the Elder who was known for being friendly (or so I read), who is guilty of issuing the _prosbul_ and therefore has helped cause thousands of years of exile. Oh he was so nice and friendly, oh let's be friendly to the rich and don't force them to lend to the poor, easy loans to be nullified, let's put up a smile to everyone. What was the result ? The poor are denied their help, and the Nation just breaks apart between the greedy rich (very rightly derided here in this video, the greed). The Romans then took it over, but the Jewish people had already destroyed their own Nation, their own Torah, from the inside out. Such a friendly person, this Hillel the Elder ? Really ? Consider the cost. All the dying the hunger the fear of the exile, in part caused by Hillel the Elder and his cursed _prosbul._ I imagine the prosbul was merely the last straw, and before that major aspects of laws had been lost (such as the Jubilee on land), but it was part of the overthrow of the Torah within the 2nd Temple, by the Rabbis themselves. Remember this: "I will disperse you between the Nations, and accuse you there" ? How many times have Jews heard that this western idol is their 'messiah' ? Regardless of what this mad western idolatry actually says in their book, to the believers their idol is a symbol of peace and friendliness. Personal friendliness that is, nice and loving at all times. It is an image of Hillel the Elder again: lawless friendliness, kindness without much punishment for law breaking, or at least kindness without taking the law of the Torah seriously. The churches of course made their own bad laws many times, and created horrendous tyranny all over the world, and murdered countless people. The key perhaps is that they made up their _own_ laws, while _ignoring_ the Torah, and in this they are the mirror of Hillel the Elder, who also made up his own fake law. Rambam / Maimonides, also made up his own fake law, called the Heter iska. What do these laws have in common: failure to observe the Jubilee on land, the prosbul, the heter iska ? Money. By breaking these rules, the rich can accumulate more and more wealth, while the poor become poorer and poorer, until they are slaves with no way out. Greed and money, this is the line which connects Hillel the Elder, with Rambam, and the current exile. Not punishment for the rich who failed to nullify the loan, but the law itself was broken, and fake law was passed. This is how you lost your Nation. You seemed to think that all you had to do was be nice, but acting like Hillel the Elder, or Joshke the Bastard, or Rambam, that is not the true friendliness. The true friendliness (of the Torah), is to give an easy loan without interest to the needy, and nullify it in the 7th year, and to make sure that at least every 50th year everyone gets their land back, for a fresh life in freedom. This is your cage: landlessness, and you caused it yourself, because you do not acknowledge the Torah land laws, which say: everyone will have free land. I can go on like this for crazy much longer, but probably nobody reads it anyway, and youtube/Google probably censors it. You all don't act. Everything is like taken as entertainment, as a consumption. People don't read and think: "this is true" and then they start acting upon it. For this, and other things, you will have World War 3. I agree also that it is better to ignore the mass media, because it is full of lies. I never follow their lying either, it is horrible what they are doing. They are owned by the super rich, which is a class (in general) also responsible for the exile and overturning the Torah, causing the exile. There are a lot of criminals in that class. Being nice to them is no solution. Etc etc etc. Nobody cares so, the end. There will first have to be World War 3, and maybe then people get shocked enough to be forced to think about serious things, and finally they might do something. It is a small chance, but I guess the only chance. * [[The Google/Youtube dictators seem to have _immediately_ removed this comment. I sometimes wonder what kind of punishment needs to be effectuated in the end against Google and Youtube, and how punishments need to be distributed between management and workers. 10 years jail for helping to create war and Tyranny on Earth, guilty of helping to create mass murder ? No punishment at all, because it supposedly is their (monopoly) platform and they can do whatever they want, and not even tell anyone how or why they do it ? To what extend is the lawmaker guilty for allowing this monopoly to come about ? Nobody will be punished for all the lying in the mass media in the end, even though the cost of life may well run into the Billions after World War 3 ? Nobody is guilty, everyone just did their thing within the confines of the law ? Really ? Another show trial like Nuremberg, where a few unlucky ones get punished for the cruelest crimes of many thousands of people ? I don't know the answer, but someone is guilty over creating the wars, the corruption, the crimes. It is certainly a violation against decency and normal adult behavior, to ask people to comment on a huge monopoly platform, and then *secretly* delete their comments behind their backs. It seems to show that they know they are guilty of something. Why else do they hide their operations, pretend nothing much is going on, or pretend it is normal to just delete people's hard work by algorithm? Well, humanity at large will be punished, by the consequences of the absurd policies which are furthered by this ruling class. Crazy stupid morally lazy ignorant decadent world. The price will be paid, you have been warned.]] -- Economic & political ideology, worked out into Constitutional models, with a multi-facetted implementation plan. http://market.socialism.nl