Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!cleanfeed4-a.proxad.net!nnrp3-2.free.fr!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: The failure of the unified field theory means general relativity fails. From: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) Reply-To: jjlxa31@xs4all.nl (J. J. Lodder) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:48:47 +0200 References: <693b1f71c994c268d60983eb81fc6aaa@www.novabbs.com> <17db55a7e5709ab7$1933$480477$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <9283a49bcc091b1f621ebd566d650a38@www.novabbs.com> Organization: De Ster Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.5 (ea919cf118) (Mac OS 10.12.6) Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6677e170$0$11724$426a74cc@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jun 2024 10:48:48 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.10.137.58 X-Trace: 1719132528 news-1.free.fr 11724 213.10.137.58:52284 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Bytes: 2548 Tom Roberts wrote: > On 6/22/24 9:54 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: > > Paul Anderson, thanks for the pdf. Your formula employs the > > electromagnetic assumption that gravity moves at the speed of light. > > You got this backwards. In GR, changes in gravity propagate at the local > symmetry speed, given by SPECIAL Relativity. It "just so happens" [#] > that electromagnetic waves travel at this same speed in vacuum. It is > merely an historical anomaly that it is called "the speed of light", due > to the round-about way Einstein first described relativity in 1905 -- > the spacetime symmetry is MUCH more fundamental and important. > > [#] This is neither happenstance nor accident.... > > BTW modern derivations of SR don't use electromagnetism at all. > > > Your formula (1) has c^2 and it is clearly not 1^2, and is in m/s, > > contrary to Lodder. > > Nope. YOU have imposed specific units onto the formula/equation. The > equation itself does not impose any particular units on its variables > and constants [@], it merely requires that they be self-consistent. > > [@] There are many systems of units in common use. You > seem to think there is only one. A forteriori, any result that depends on any particular choice of units (or dimensions) is unphysical. Despite the obviousness and triviality of this some people have found it necessary to give it a name, and called it 'Bridgman's Axiom'. Jan