Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 02:14:58 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban References: <17d91fbd5fad865f$338100$533214$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 19:12:16 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 104 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-EnXdsOLP+Qk0vH+sCZe9GIxP6+GmZPgDh+CKGVLJLjGJ+YW8beYTYs8iPDeJYclNqrP1eVVeBYtmMUH!eCHZhMUfkVxuAgTR9dD2ahD50hWahxNNpRBwsyfg2uQ3ZIDFhhjYWrjHLdHufJjWLcXCX6l3lddG!Fs0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 6216 In article , FPP wrote: > On 6/18/24 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > > In article , > > moviePig wrote: > > > >> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > >>> In article , > >>> moviePig wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > >>>>> In article , FPP > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > >>>>>>> In article > >>>>>>> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>, > >>>>>>> trotsky wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934 > > > >>>>>>>>>> From wiki: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of > >>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are collectively > >>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Machine guns: > >>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be > >>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, > >>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. > >>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such > >>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, > >>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in > >>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of > >>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are > >>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a person."[10] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose > >>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of sanity. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far more > >>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as you > >>>>>>> can be yet again. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of > >>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page statutes > >>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of administrative > >>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and near- > >>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a > >>>>>>> piece of software. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's "spirit", then > >>>>>>> none of that would be necessary. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons to > >>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself, I'd > >>>>>>> climb > >>>>>>> your ego and jump to your IQ. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully automatic machine > >>>>>> gun? > >>>>> > >>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate trigger pull > >>>>> occurs. > >>>>> > >>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to fire multiple > >>>>> rounds. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is significantly > >>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto. > >>>> > >>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie? > >>>> > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc > >>> > >>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly see the bump > >>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the trigger > >>> after every round. > >> > >> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire. > > > > The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not as fast as > > full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that works more > > efficiently. > > > > Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate "machine > > gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of fire is > > actually irrelevant to the issue. > > > Close enough to satisfy the intent of the law. The law was written > before the stocks existed, and was vague enough to encompass future > innovations. There is nothing vague about the definition of "machine gun" in the NFA.