Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Chinese semiconductors Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 13:12:01 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 167 Message-ID: <0nfd7j1gkuucuerrege5m70jhgpcns76ig@4ax.com> References: <81l57j17n3u1o76dkoirjjulpo76291cf6@4ax.com> <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com> <3qg67jpedsrertumhhg9oeea2n61ac1ct8@4ax.com> <4v4c7jt0m1mk1bk1301lc83vhoir92lu4g@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 14:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="77e84bb6ea6ded47f8498eafece48135"; logging-data="3943774"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19T+bHpeOS597SYvXqq8h3vIhmN/KYbq+0=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:dkK8eCqHfg41E6AHmK81DBa0o/I= Bytes: 9747 On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 17:00:03 -0700, john larkin wrote: >On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 22:27:57 +0100, Cursitor Doom >wrote: > >>On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:11:46 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>wrote: >> >>>On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff >>> wrote in : >>> >>>>On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>>>> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese- >>>>>> semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>>>> plications >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Good grief. Crazy numbers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a normal ratio. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in >>>>>>>>> one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>>>>>> real-estate scam. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not see it that way. >>>>>>>> Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space, >>>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Airbus planes have killed people too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn >>>>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>>>>> the same US, >>>>>>>> worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from >>>>>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes >>>>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a >>>>>>>> third world country, >>>>>>>> a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>>>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it. >>>>>>>> An IQ that gete lower and lower... >>>>>>>> dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>>>>> electronics. >>>>>>>>> The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make >>>>>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>>>>>>> original ideas, and fail. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist. >>>>>>>> West coast was always part of China :-) >>>>>>>> More info in 'planets of the apes' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly... >>>>>>>> Even better have them make products that benefit people. >>>>>>>> That will save lives worldwide covid makers!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club, >>>>>>>> Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> How are your Russian lessons coming along? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though. >>>>> >>>>> We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is >>>>> millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions >>>>are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had >>>>all Europe must have been evaluated etc. >>>>Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the >>>>defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US >>>>can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly >>>>affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts >>>>to get involved in. >>>>As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to >>>>its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century >>>>by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that >>>>kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a >>>>stupid person at all. >>> >>>Russia has a different history >>>After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik) >>>US wanted that too. took them years.. >>>Same for MIR space station, now ISS >>>US looks dead to me in space, >>>was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what >>>they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule.. >>>No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued.. >>>Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically >>>Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-). >>>Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools. >>>And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews >>>that are worse than Hitler it seems. >>>You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that >>>Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell). >>>And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted. >>>Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else. >>>What a fucking mafia US is. >>>NATO is a US weapon sales club... >>>Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO. >>>He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed. >>>NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some. >>>Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era. >>>Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software, >>>the list is endless. >>>I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam. >>>Different finance systems in use. >>>US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt.. >>>it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems. >>> >>>A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow.. >>>Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China. >>>I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now. >>> >> >>The US made a huge mistake in weaponizing the dollar and seizing the >>assets of other countries. People have seen what happened with Russia >>and have to now plan for the possibility that could happen to them >>too, even if they currently enjoy good relations with the US. Hence >>the phenomenon of de-dollarization. You can't have a politicized >>reserve currency; just doesn't work. > >Let's return to the lithium standard. Well, it is rumored that the BRICS+++ will be unveiling their new gold-backed currency in October, plus some alternative to SWIFT. Just a rumor at this stage but it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.