Path: ...!feed.opticnetworks.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: KevinJ93 Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: British (european?) kitchen counter electric outlets Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 09:44:27 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 18:44:28 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f8152be7f838698690b46040dc4ba20c"; logging-data="153647"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+GqTZzjgIPw9Mx0E0eiMyy" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:dGQXlUsJniPNv6ozYHhXUAJIs7w= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2704 On 6/15/24 7:51 PM, bud-- wrote: > On 6/11/2024 9:26 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: >> On 6/10/24 23:45, bud-- wrote: >>> As I expect you figured out, Christmas lights have tiny wire and need >>> protection. >> >> Christmas lights are just the only example that came to mind in the >> U.S.A. >> >> I would personally prefer to have a 13A fuse on an extension cord >> plugged into a 15A outlet so that the fuse would blow close to where >> I'm using the cord instead of having to traipse through a building to >> the breaker panel. >> >>> Probably somewhere in this thread, the UK you have 30-32A ring >>> circuits and current about half here with correspondingly small cord >>> wire so you need fuses in plugs.  One fuse? >> >> I would think that you'd want to open the (both) hot(s).  Much like >> how you want a double poll breaker to open both hots on a 240 V >> domestic load in the U.S.A. >> >> Blowing / opening one hot would still leave live power via the other >> hot in a dual hot cord. >> > > I think UK is 230V hot-neutral? > > Sort of; The UK is traditionally 240V along with many other UK influenced countries such as Australia. While mainland Europe was 230V. To achieve a common standard without any physical changes the tolerances are asymmetric at 230V +10%/-6%. (As of 2022 the standard has now been widened to be 230V +10%/-10%). The UK is normally described as having 240V AC power. kw