Path: ...!feed.opticnetworks.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:04:45 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 119 Message-ID: References: <17d91fbd5fad865f$338100$533214$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 23:04:48 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8c64deeef54593d1938d941691bc3ec9"; logging-data="2269583"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/AxGKB95foWlSBnqwKEoWU3A0QZ1GU7Kw=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RWKz8QVwnrFnAtLHbcA8PPYThSs= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 7088 On 6/19/2024 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , > moviePig wrote: > >> On 6/18/2024 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , >>> moviePig wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article , >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article , FPP >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>>>> trotsky wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934 >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From wiki: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of >>>>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are collectively >>>>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Machine guns: >>>>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be >>>>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, >>>>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. >>>>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such >>>>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, >>>>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in >>>>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of >>>>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are >>>>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a person."[10] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose >>>>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of sanity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far more >>>>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as you >>>>>>>>> can be yet again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of >>>>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page statutes >>>>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of administrative >>>>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and near- >>>>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a >>>>>>>>> piece of software. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's "spirit", >>>>>>>>> then none of that would be necessary. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons to >>>>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself, I'd >>>>>>>>> climb your ego and jump to your IQ. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully automatic machine >>>>>>>> gun? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate trigger pull >>>>>>> occurs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to fire multiple >>>>>>> rounds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is significantly >>>>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie? >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc >>>>> >>>>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly see the bump >>>>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the trigger >>>>> after every round. >>>> >>>> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire. >>> >>> The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not as fast as >>> full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that works more >>> efficiently. >>> >>> Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate "machine >>> gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of fire is >>> actually irrelevant to the issue. >> >> Yes, we've already established that a determined judiciary can do an >> end-run around even the clearest legislative intent. > > They didn't end-run anything. They only reiterated-- since our > government seems to have lost its way and needs a reminder-- that > Congress is the only body granted the authority by the Constitution to > legislate in this country, not administrative agencies like BATF, and if > Congress wants to change the definition of "machine gun" to incorporate > bump stocks into it, it can do so at any time. However, BATF has no > authority to do it for them. Machine gun: "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify...