Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 00:00:03 +0000 From: john larkin Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Chinese semiconductors Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 17:00:03 -0700 Message-ID: <4v4c7jt0m1mk1bk1301lc83vhoir92lu4g@4ax.com> References: <81l57j17n3u1o76dkoirjjulpo76291cf6@4ax.com> <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com> <3qg67jpedsrertumhhg9oeea2n61ac1ct8@4ax.com> User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 162 X-Trace: sv3-KBURB9kLxeaT5cSGqo2OJ01mytscSyhgl6OWNfQxnptuHtkfD5f+K90a4DBQdJlRJRpJq1ZAonX8re8!7wLK/nLLUi/xKXNkkiZPLBiFuoTqrG5erQXhNXA0mFZ/FCm0i5sV1ZivKfErKm+ysV2+a+nMWDqq!jR/CfA== X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 9329 On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 22:27:57 +0100, Cursitor Doom wrote: >On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:11:46 GMT, Jan Panteltje >wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff >> wrote in : >> >>>On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote: >>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>>> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese- >>>>> semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>>> plications >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good grief. Crazy numbers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sounds like a normal ratio. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in >>>>>>>> one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>>>>> real-estate scam. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not see it that way. >>>>>>> Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space, >>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds. >>>>>> >>>>>> Airbus planes have killed people too. >>>>>> >>>>>> The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn >>>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>>>> the same US, >>>>>>> worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from >>>>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes >>>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a >>>>>>> third world country, >>>>>>> a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it. >>>>>>> An IQ that gete lower and lower... >>>>>>> dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>>>> electronics. >>>>>>>> The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make >>>>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>>>>>> original ideas, and fail. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist. >>>>>>> West coast was always part of China :-) >>>>>>> More info in 'planets of the apes' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly... >>>>>>> Even better have them make products that benefit people. >>>>>>> That will save lives worldwide covid makers!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club, >>>>>>> Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> How are your Russian lessons coming along? >>>>> >>>>> Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though. >>>> >>>> We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is >>>> millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too. >>>> >>> >>>Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions >>>are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had >>>all Europe must have been evaluated etc. >>>Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the >>>defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US >>>can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly >>>affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts >>>to get involved in. >>>As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to >>>its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century >>>by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that >>>kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a >>>stupid person at all. >> >>Russia has a different history >>After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik) >>US wanted that too. took them years.. >>Same for MIR space station, now ISS >>US looks dead to me in space, >>was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what >>they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule.. >>No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued.. >>Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically >>Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-). >>Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools. >>And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews >>that are worse than Hitler it seems. >>You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that >>Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell). >>And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted. >>Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else. >>What a fucking mafia US is. >>NATO is a US weapon sales club... >>Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO. >>He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed. >>NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some. >>Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era. >>Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software, >>the list is endless. >>I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam. >>Different finance systems in use. >>US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt.. >>it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems. >> >>A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow.. >>Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China. >>I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now. >> > >The US made a huge mistake in weaponizing the dollar and seizing the >assets of other countries. People have seen what happened with Russia >and have to now plan for the possibility that could happen to them >too, even if they currently enjoy good relations with the US. Hence >the phenomenon of de-dollarization. You can't have a politicized >reserve currency; just doesn't work. Let's return to the lithium standard.