Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Kevrob Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: the future long term financial apocalypse of the USA Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 17:58:29 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <38b9c9eb-c8e4-ed65-91c6-b1ac972a0b90@example.net> <9bd30a1a-a7c8-de69-216d-dd660810ed9e@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 23:58:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f316284a2a02505275a61c59a905acd0"; logging-data="3215974"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18zq9/+tl9tl31zwtqBwa7uVX2EEXmAp9o=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZFylD15sq0YG0G8OzTxgvPsT6cU= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 240525-6, 5/25/2024), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3449 On 5/25/2024 1:56 PM, D wrote: > > > On Sat, 25 May 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote: > >> D  wrote: >>> On Thu, 23 May 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote: >>>> D  wrote: >>>>> What are you saying? I do not understand what you are saying. >>>> >>>> There are many things that need to be in place for me to feel good >>>> about >>>> paying taxes.   Fairness in taxation is one of them.  But there are >>>> many >>>> others; if a large portion of the taxes go to funding Mr. Mobutu, I and >>>> many others feel less good about paying taxes, for instance. >>>> Fairness in >>>> taxation is not the only thing but it is certainly an imporant thing. >>> >>> There can never be fairness in taxation, since taxation is theft. Or are >>> you of the opinion that what is forbidden for individuals should be >>> allowed by the government? >> >> Taxation is part of the social contract that you agree with to live in a > > That' incorrect. I have never signed such a contract based on free, > informed consent. And anything which is not based on free, informed > consent, is not a contract. > > I won't agree to any other definitions of that term. > >> place.  If you don't agree with it, that's okay, you can go live >> somewhere >> else.  As long as there is somewhere else to go, you can't call operating >> fees a form a theft.  I think this is where you have gone wrong. > > Nope. You are shifting the blame to the victim. I have the most right to > my piece of land, that I use and have paid for and no one else. If a > bully comes (the government), I fight back. It's absurd to say... oh, > you can just leave, that is siding with evil. > > So far my fight has pushed down my taxes to about 9% to 14%, but I hope > to be able to push it down further still. > >> --scott >> US Citizens have to pay to expatriate. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/expatriation-tax -- Kevin R -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com