Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 05:03:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv References: <17d91fbd5fad865f$338100$533214$2d54864@news.newsdemon.com> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US From: trotsky In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 255 Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:03:53 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 12146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17db9a060b9d5b3b$239$3767249$10d55a65@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 12526 On 6/22/24 3:54 PM, moviePig wrote: > On 6/22/2024 11:46 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >> FPP wrote: >>> On 6/21/24 12:59 AM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> In article , FPP >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/20/24 9:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> In article , FPP >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/19/24 7:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2024 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , FPP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trotsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From wiki: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Machine guns: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one shot, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusively, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such parts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person."[10] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law whose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sanity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law is far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be yet again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000-page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administrative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and near- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of software. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "spirit", >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then none of that would be necessary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crayons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climb your ego and jump to your IQ. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger pull >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rounds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bump >>>>>>>>>>>>>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after every round. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not >>>>>>>>>>>> as fast as >>>>>>>>>>>> full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that >>>>>>>>>>>> works more >>>>>>>>>>>> efficiently. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate >>>>>>>>>>>> "machine >>>>>>>>>>>> gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of >>>>>>>>>>>> fire is >>>>>>>>>>>> actually irrelevant to the issue. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we've already established that a determined judiciary >>>>>>>>>>> can do an >>>>>>>>>>> end-run around even the clearest legislative intent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They didn't end-run anything. They only reiterated-- since our >>>>>>>>>> government seems to have lost its way and needs a reminder-- that >>>>>>>>>> Congress is the only body granted the authority by the >>>>>>>>>> Constitution to >>>>>>>>>> legislate in this country, not administrative agencies like >>>>>>>>>> BATF, and >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> Congress wants to change the definition of "machine gun" to >>>>>>>>>> incorporate >>>>>>>>>> bump stocks into it, it can do so at any time. However, BATF >>>>>>>>>> has no >>>>>>>>>> authority to do it for them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Machine gun: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========